[Compilation]Discussions on Scrolling doesn't work if the mouse is on the edge of the screen

[DarthGTB]

DarthGTB @rldavies last edited by DarthGTB

Yes, this is a known problem.

I've never had this problem because I don't use the scrollbar. I use the scroll wheel on the mouse and Page Up, Page Down, Home, End and arrow keys. Also, clicking on the tab is the same as hitting the Home key and hitting it again, brings it back to where you were.

But the issue here is the border introduced in v100.x.x. It is an extension of the title bar for some unknown reason. You can use it to move the window, double click to maximize/restore like it happened to you and even right clicking brings the same menu. It's essentially the title bar itself disguised as a border

@leocg, please forward my suggestion to fix this bug (I don't care it was designed like this on purpose. A border shouldn't have the behaviour of the title bar and therefore this is a bug. I refuse to believe this passed through QA without protest by the testers):

When maximized, it should trigger the scrollbar

Either remove the 1px border when maximized, or make the scrollbar go under it and remove "collision" on the border, making the scrollbar under it be triggerable.

When restored it should only trigger the resizing arrows

This would actually make it work so much better. A thick border like you have would make it so much easier to find the spot for resizing. I don't know if this is possible though. The OS might get in the way of implementing this

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Edit: I'm sorry for the capital letters. Tell the developer of this forum that markdown shouldn't capitalize the title tags. It even previews in the correct way during editing (I can't paste a picture of it, because this forum has its own set of bugs)

Edit²: ok, you edited it for bold. I'm fine with it. Still, please forward this issue to the forum devs

[tiikuri]

tiikuri last edited by

How do they not understand that this needs to be fixed asap.

104.0.4944.33 still dragging the very right edge drags the whole browser instead of the scrollbar.

[thewebsheimdall]

thewebsheimdall last edited by

So if I click towards the extreme edge of the scroll bar, Opera will now exit maximised windows state.

This never used to happen before. Anyone know how to fix this?

[mareda]

mareda @tiikuri last edited by

@tiikuri

I fully agree with your statement...

[leavemealone123]

leavemealone123 last edited by

Can I turn off minimizng the window when i scroll down (at the right corner)? The most annoying function ever, I don't want to change the browser because of that but it unusable.

[CTH]

CTH last edited by

It's infuriating trying to grab the scroll bar but clicking the lateral edge and moving and resizing the window. I'm with the window in FULLSCREEN, let me stay in fullscreen, the scroll bar is on the right edge of the screen, if I click the edge I expect to activate the scroll bar not move the freakin window, why would I want invisible lateral borders to move my window?! It's mind boggingly stupid.
It's unimaginable to me how you can mess this up after so many decades of established UI conventions. Looking this up further I see that other people have the same frustrations and airing them on reddit, it looks the issue appeared in Opera One. I'm currently on Opera One(version: 104.0.4944.33).
Don't really expect for this to be solved soon considering this is a months old issue, just wanted to shout into the void at this insanely frustrating stupid change.

[DarthGTB]

DarthGTB last edited by DarthGTB

I just would like to mention that Edge also has a very similar border, but it is not an extension of the title bar, which means it doesn't come with the moving around and window restoring issues we have on Opera:

I tested without the sidebar and dragging on the edge of Edge - no pun intended - triggers the scrollbar. This is the behaviour we need.

It can still be annoying though to people who use the Sidebar and still use the mouse to drag or click on scrollbar because the sidebar on Edge is to the right

Off topic: BTW, I've never noticed it's possible to detach the sidebar on Edge. It becomes sort of a Windows feature. It's actually quite clever

Edge is much more polished than Opera since version 100. If Opera continues to ruin Speed Dial, I may go back at using Edge on a daily like I did between versions 101 e 102 and just add a Speed Dial extension.

I've been using Edge for another missing feature in Opera that every other Chromium based browser I tested possess: the ability to open pages like they are native apps. I did that to all the pages on the sidebar there. That's also another thing Opera should take a look at. Currently the feature to add custom pages to the sidebar is hidden under a flag and is limited to 5 pages. I'm fine with having those sponsored pages like WhatsApp Web and such showing up by default, but it would be a lot more useful if we could add any page to it and if sidebar pages could be detached into their own windows like web apps. This feature is what's making me not use only Opera in a daily. Pages like Google Keep, Outlook and GMail I only open on Edge because of this feature (can't use Chrome for that because I need Chrome clean as I use Chrome and Firefox for testing my software)

[andrew84]

andrew84 @DarthGTB last edited by

@darthgtb said in [Compilation]Discussions on Scrolling doesn't work if the mouse is on the edge of the screen:

Edge also has a very similar border

At least Edge allows to disable the bordered design currently by turning off the 'Try the new look and feel of Microsoft Edge' toggle in Settings.

[DarthGTB]

DarthGTB @andrew84 last edited by

@andrew84 I didn't know that. That wording to me implies that's a temporary setting though. How long it will be a "new" look and feel? Seems to me they will make that permanent in the future (or a design choice feature like "compact" design being without a border).

I honestly don't hate it, although these borders look sort of out of place, like they trying to mimic designs from 2010's in a more modernised, flat way

[leocg]

leocg Moderator Volunteer @andrew84 last edited by

@andrew84 Until they complete the UI change.

[andrew84]

andrew84 @DarthGTB last edited by

@darthgtb said in [Compilation]Discussions on Scrolling doesn't work if the mouse is on the edge of the screen:

I honestly don't hate it

Not so critical when watching light website using browser's light theme or dark website using browser's dark them.
But when watching dark website using browser's light theme I really hate the border.

[turbotom64]

turbotom64 last edited by

Yet another upgrade to 104.0.4944.36 and still not fixed. This seems to a major issue to me that needs fixed ASAP. Even knowing about it, I still move the window when trying to scroll most of the time. I guess it's time for a new browser, cause this just sucks.

[DarthGTB]

DarthGTB @andrew84 last edited by

@andrew84 I think it doesn't bother me because I use dark mode on Windows as well as on Opera and have dark wallpaper. But if you use dark taskbar with light theme on Opera, I can see how that can be distracting on a dark looking website

[voodj1n]

voodj1n last edited by

Yep new update and this annoying bug is still there.. I mean it just proves these devs aren't reading any feedback (or simply don't give a damn). -.-

[Snaken]

Snaken last edited by

I just went back to 102 and turned off the auto update.

[krit86]

krit86 last edited by

Problem
Borders of Opera in maximized mode (left, right and down) interferes with site's scroll bar while trying to drag scroll bar down or up.
Compared with other browsers that contain borders similar to Opera, however their borders are not interfere with scroll bar.

You should fix border by preventing to drag Opera windows in maximized mode especially sites that contain scroll bar, only top bar allowed as same as other browser UI/UX.

To reproduce

1. Open Opera in maximized mode.
2. Surf any sites while length of contents long enough until scrolling bar appeared, e.g. Opera Forum, Wikipedia, etc.
3. Move your mouse pointer to edge of Opera browser either left or right, as you intend to scroll down or up to read more contents in the site.
4. Do step 3. again and again as needed.
5. You will find that sometimes you accidentally drag Opera (maximized mode) even though you just want to scroll the site down or up.

Environment
Opera One (version: 104.0.4944.36)
Update stream: Stable
System: Windows 10 64-bit
Chromium version: 118.0.5993.118

[Jackers1337]

Jackers1337 last edited by

104.0.4944.36 still dragging the very right edge drags the whole browser instead of the scrollbar. Why don't they fix this problem?

[dawidgodecki]

dawidgodecki last edited by

Puzzling, to say the least. The "side scroll bar shrinking the main browser window if grabbed even slightly wrong" issue persists after the most recent Opera One update. Any thoughts?

[sindhuagarwal]

sindhuagarwal last edited by

I've encountered a usability problem in the Opera browser for computers. With recent updates, the scroll bar on the right side has become thinner and doesn't extend to the border of the screen. This makes it challenging to click and scroll seamlessly. Previously, I could move the mouse to the right side of the screen to click the scroll bar and move down. I request bringing back the old scroll bar design for improved user-friendliness.

[dotneck335]

dotneck335 last edited by

When will the scrolling wheel problem be fixed?
How can I roll back to an Opera version where it does work?