New commenting mechanism on Opera blogs
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andrew84 last edited by
@leocg: For example I preferred using the blog over forum because of the 'tree' view and notifications (red circle next to username) and, of course, because of Opera team's feedback. Forum will never have the 'tree' comments structure and notifications work there for all the post instead of only mine's related. Personally, I'd prefer using only one environment for comments instead of 'jumping'.
As I mentioned earlier I very support some Opera's own system for the feedback from users. But new system should become by improvement version of the current one. And the fact that Disqus was more popular than forum among users till know (including Opera team) tells me that Disqus was more informative and easier. Even the changelog is more detailed in the blog.
If you think that the forum is absolutely comfortable to use, I don't see what's the point of the blog currently. Blog can contain only some general info about Opera (news, events, achievements) and few links to popular topics on forum instead of the version by version announcement with detailed changelogs. And the whole versions history with changelogs and other stuff can be moved to the forum. -
burnout426 Volunteer last edited by
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I'd like to have the voting buttons and count visible in the blog post like they are in the forums.
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I'd like to have the "view forums thread" link at the top of the user comments section on the blog page too. Currently it's only on the bottom.
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frenzie last edited by
@andrew84 said in New commenting mechanism on Opera blogs:
notifications (red circle next to username)
Disqus logs you out constantly and always displays a deceptive red circle as soon as it does. It's probably the most noticeable intentional misfeature. By contrast, there's a magical place with an actually functional notification icon. One guess...
@andrew84 said in New commenting mechanism on Opera blogs:
And the fact that Disqus was more popular than forum among users till know (including Opera team) tells me that Disqus was more informative and easier.
It tells you people follow the blog and feel the impulse to comment on the blog. Nothing more and nothing less. That might tell you something about Opera's browser and blog posts, but preciously little about Disqus.
Fyi, the widely disliked Disqus system fails to load again this morning:
Disqus is utterly unusable on mobile. Or it would be if it actually loaded. Most of the time it gets stuck using all your CPU like a malicious bitcoin miner until it craps out.
These days Disqus loads even less than back on its introduction in 2014. Make no mistake, some of us still posted a few comments occasionally in spite of Disqus. It used to be that Disqus was noticeably less dependable than anything else, where anything else basically loaded 99.99 % of the time and Disqus only some 90-95 %, usually fixed by a refresh. In 2019 it's literally down to loading on some days and not loading on others, refresh or not.
In short, the fact that Disqus is terrible is pretty much irrelevant. If Disqus worked I'd dislike it, as I detailed in a rare Disqus comment on the Opera blog back in 2014. On good old My Opera that'd have been quite easy to find; on Disqus it might be borderline impossible.
Either way, Disqus quite simply doesn't work at all anymore, so it needs to be replaced by something that does. Even if that something were somehow worse than Disqus, like the impressively, even caricaturishly awful Facebook comments. As luck would have it, this forum is a lot better than Disqus.
@andrew84 said in New commenting mechanism on Opera blogs:
And the whole versions history with changelogs and other stuff can be moved to the forum.
Not in its current form. There's no relevant newsfeed available afaict, just new comments per category.
@burnout426 said in New commenting mechanism on Opera blogs:
I'd like to have the "view forums thread" link at the top of the user comments section on the blog page too. Currently it's only on the bottom.
+1 Also it should read
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burnout426 Volunteer last edited by
@frenzie said in New commenting mechanism on Opera blogs:
@burnout426 said in New commenting mechanism on Opera blogs:
I'd like to have the "view forums thread" link at the top of the user comments section on the blog page too. Currently it's only on the bottom.
+1 Also it should read "View forum thread" instead.
Definitely. Even if it can be considered correct, the current wording sounds funny.
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andrew84 last edited by
@frenzie: If Disqus is terrible, why Opera employers were more active there?
Don't you think that it sounds strange at least that Opera team don't want using their own forum..
When I read the forum I have an feeling that Opra team doesn't read it at all, I see mostly moderators and other users comments (without replies from Opera team). And I don't understand what's changed now, the forum was improved/restructured to increase its popularity? No. To increase the forum popularity, they've killed the more popular system. If Opera would have been active on the forum instead of Disqus, there wouldn't be any complains currently. -
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leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by
@andrew84 The idea of a/the forum is to be a place where people (try to)help each other, so that there is less needing for the company replies and they can focus more on their products development.
Also, when you have more then one place for discussion, there will always be a tendency to choose one over the other. And as the blog, until so far, seemed to be the place where the feedback where more immediate and specific, I guess they ended choosing that one.
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frenzie last edited by
@andrew84 No, I don't think it's strange to comment underneath the relevant blog post. Where else?
I don't know what changed from Opera's perspective. However, it should be self-evident that if it's part of your job to reply to user questions, you're not going to refrain from reading or commenting just because it's not your favorite system. Without more information on the matter the reverse hypothesis is no less valid
(i.e., that the change was made precisely because those very Opera employees internally clamored for it).Given a few basic requirements which are likely met by most commenting systems, I'd peg cost and reliability as the most important factors. Possibly also something like privacy as a USP, given that Opera VPN is advertised that way. A system like Disqus doesn't support that principle.
@andrew84 said in New commenting mechanism on Opera blogs:
I knew about it then, but it's something different because all the replied comments in tree are also duplicated beneath in a regular way.
Note that Vivaldi's threaded blog comments are also based on NodeBB.
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andrew84 last edited by andrew84
@frenzie said in New commenting mechanism on Opera blogs:
Where else?
On forum.
I meant it in overall, why the blog (that has bad/unsecure Disqus system) was used by Opera previously to track/announce versions (with detailed changelogs), not forum. In the blog there could be just major version releases related posts with key features descriptions in this case.
@frenzie said in New commenting mechanism on Opera blogs:that Vivaldi's threaded blog comments are also based on NodeBB
I don't use Vivaldi (yet) so I don't use their forums/blog too. If there is the same system (there is a tree at least) then this is not great too. But why should I compare other browsers's blogs. I can say that Vivaldi is more stable in general (less crashes) and has less limitations (search engines for example) and much more customizable. But Vivaldi lacks some default features that I use daily in Opera.
My main complain about the Disqus is that sometimes it automatically marks common messages like a spam (it's really frustrating) -
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frenzie last edited by frenzie
@andrew84
Is that some kind of rhetorical question? The current blogs + Disqus were purposefully introduced in 2013/2014 in favor of My Opera, presumably mainly for financial reasons. You could call not having to maintain Disqus a technical reason, but that just reduces down to that it costs, e.g., half as much.I don't understand the argument about splitting things up. That would just make it harder to follow. Please don't ever do that guys.
Regarding the Vivaldi blogs, Vivaldi isn't relevant to the point. You wrote the forum will "never" have a threaded view. Maybe it will, maybe it won't (and you can count this as a vote against), but given a clear NodeBB-based example of threading, chances are it involves little more than some theming.
Regardless if you like or dislike a feature, comparing the comments to other NodeBB implementations is quite relevant to understand what's a choice and what's a technical limitation.
That Disqus marks a lot of innocent stuff as spam was just as true in 2013. It's one of the many reasons I dislike Disqus. Comment a bit too long for its taste? Spam. Which makes it actively hostile as opposed to just annoying. Edited a couple of words/typos? Spam. Included a link? Spam.
I've never seen a web-based threaded format I like, except possibly for (old) Reddit.
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A Former User last edited by
@frenzie said in New commenting mechanism on Opera blogs:
Disqus marks a lot of innocent stuff as spam
That's exactly what I don't like about Disqus. I've encountered this several times.
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A Former User last edited by
@leocg And that makes even more sense to implement the blogs into the forums as opposed to having them separate especially since the current implementation is very lacking.
So there is one destination for forums as well as seeing what's new with Opera. Right now it's a mess. -
A Former User last edited by A Former User
@andrew84 I can confirm that Vivaldi's blog uses the exact same system that Opera uses. Only difference is that they have implemented their blogs within the forums for seamless and one destination experience.
As for Disqus it's quite secure, there is so far little to no evidence to show that it is less secure than the system that Opera uses for their forums. Not to mention that Disqus is far more convenient on every level at least for me. Never had the spam false positive. Might mean you used a type of wording that is used often by spammers .
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A Former User last edited by A Former User
@frenzie Vivaldi Forums comparison to Opera forums is extremely relevant. They use the exact same system! Only difference Vivaldi's implementation is actually good and thought out. While Opera's is more half-done or rushed in my view... Which isn't surprising actually.
And it seems that some Opera people can't seem to handle the comparison to Vivaldi or other browsers for that matter which is interesting, especially those that are well-founded.
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amatczak Opera last edited by amatczak
@artexjay said in New commenting mechanism on Opera blogs:
Only difference is that they have implemented their blogs within the forums for seamless and one destination experience.
Well... no, they didn't. Their blog is using Wordpress (https://vivaldi.com/blog/) and their forums uses NodeBB (https://forum.vivaldi.net/), just like Opera does. They are even on separate domains, as you can see.
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andrew84 last edited by
@artexjay said in New commenting mechanism on Opera blogs:
Never had the spam false positive. Might mean you used a type of wording that is used often by spammers .
Nope, all my posts were only Opera bugs/suggestions related. Sometimes there were really similar comments that describe the same issue in different build's threads but those weren't simple copy-paste posts.
