Opera 102.0.4880.70 Stable update

geza079

geza079 @leocg

@leocg: Cool, fixed. Crash on file upload, Win10.

kHellstre

kHellstre @Opera Comments Bot

When will you fix all the issues with tabs? Which there are plenty, and sadly more after each update.

The browser is almost unusable because of those, and you keep adding totally useless stuff like Chess-plugins and AI-toys

I'm really disappointment of the current state of Opera.

genegold

genegold @leocg

@leocg: Not really. What's in Settings is Opera's Start page, not the user's, and has been for a long time. Don't know how many thousands of times I've had to close/reopen Opera instead of being able to click directly on an icon over on the left side of the Address Bar that loaded my home (start) page.

Opera's Start Page icon is actually redundant, since it opens the Speed Dial, which the '+' on the tab line already does.

leocg

leocg Moderator Volunteer @Loraxz

@loraxz said:

It makes me laugh how in every update developers fix bugs and create new others

Welcome to the (real) world of software development.

leocg

leocg Moderator Volunteer @ddvddv

@ddvddv said in Opera 102.0.4880.70 Stable update:

.but not here.

So you have 102.0.4880.70 and don't see the option to enable Start Page/Speed Dial in settings? Or do you enable it but the button don;t show up?

All streams should be available for everywhere and you should choose wich one will use

That's how it works

leocg

leocg Moderator Volunteer @genegold

@genegold said:

What's in Settings is Opera's Start page, not the user's, and has been for a long time. Don't know how many thousands of times I've had to close/reopen Opera instead of being able to click directly on an icon over on the left side of the Address Bar that loaded my home (start) page.

Ah, you are talking about that home button? Well,it's been about a decade that Opera doesn't even let you to set up a home page (no, the one you set up in on Startup is not a home page), so I guess everyone should already have accepted that Opera very probably won't have a home button/page.

Loraxz

Loraxz @Loraxz

@loraxz: another update: the sites icons are not shown, neither in favorites nor in bookmarks ahahahaah

korol78

korol78

Why add something new?????? If You Can't Fix The Old Problems?????!!!!!!!!!
chess plugins and AI toys----- Why Is This??? Get Business ---- Your Job!!!!

genegold

genegold @leocg

@leocg: It's Home for me. Whatever one calls it, i.e., Start Page, the problem is that Opera won't let us have an icon for it on the Address Bar, preferably the left side, for it.

Alternatively, I could add the site it to the Windows taskbar if I could only figure out how to do that.

leocg

leocg Moderator Volunteer @genegold

@genegold I wouldn't expect any changes on that in the near future.

paul-durham

paul-durham @genegold

@genegold @leocg

Why not create a bookmark called "H" in the first position on your bookmark bar, and make the url for this bookmark whatever you want as your homepage? See below example.

burnout426

burnout426 Volunteer @genegold

@genegold

At the URL opera://settings/startPage, you can enable "Show Start page button" to place the start page icon on the left side of the start page.

If you want one on the right, you can instead use https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/home-button-at-top-right/bfejcgpdahgpmgadhgdadfiekmhgnifm and pin its icon. This extension also allows you to set the button to a certain URL instead of the start page.

If you click the 3 dots at the bottom of the sidebar, you can enable the Speed Dial panel where a button for the start page will be placed on the sidebar.

If you have the bookmarks bar turned on, you can create a bookmark to the URL opera://startpageshared.

You can right-click on your desktop, goto "new", choose "Shortcut", type:

"C:\Program Files\Opera\launcher.exe" "https://example.com/"

(Adjust the path to your launcher.exe by looking at the "install" path at the URL opera://about.)

for the location, click next, name it "Example.com" or "Home" for example and click "Finish". Then, you can right-click the newly-created shortcut on your desktop and choose to pin it to the taskbar. That will open https://example.com/ in a new tab if Opera is already opened or start Opera and open the tab otherwise. This won't work right if the URL is opera://startpageshared or opera:/startpage or chrome://newtab or about:newtab though unfortunately.

kHellstre

kHellstre @leocg

@leocg said in Opera 102.0.4880.70 Stable update:

It makes me laugh how in every update developers fix bugs and create new others

Welcome to the (real) world of software development.

It is evident that new bugs will be introduced. That is not the main problem. The issue is to spend resources on Chess-plugins and Ai-toys when the basic functionality is broken.

Basic tab and window management have been broken now over half a year. New tabs system were introduced, and I had hopes that at least some issues would have been fixed. No, instead we got plenty of more issues, and nothing useful new stuff. The grouped tabs just not work very well. Separated windows work much better for same purposes. If I want to group my tabs, I create a new window and move tabs there. Sadly, there are a lot of bugs and issues introduces lately that hinders that workflow.

The newest version introduced a bug where a new window is created when the only tab is moved to new window. So you get empty extra Windows when you move a tab to other window. Quite annoying. And also, we can't' resize windows from top border anymore. And dozens of old ones. Like, tabs can't be dropped to empty space of the top bar.

I can't understand how it is even possible that these kinds of things get to the released version. And there are many more basic issues with tabs that have been ignored for a long time. Then we get some chess-plugins instead of fixes to basic functionality, Really? What the f is going on with Opera?

Try any other browsers, handling of tabs is light years away, Oper. It makes me quite angry and sad.

cookie-drummer

cookie-drummer @kHellstre

@khellstre said in Opera 102.0.4880.70 Stable update:

@leocg said in Opera 102.0.4880.70 Stable update:

It makes me laugh how in every update developers fix bugs and create new others

Welcome to the (real) world of software development.

It is evident that new bugs will be introduced. That is not the main problem. The issue is to spend resources on Chess-plugins and Ai-toys when the basic functionality is broken.

Basic tab and window management have been broken now over half a year. New tabs system were introduced, and I had hopes that at least some issues would have been fixed. No, instead we got plenty of more issues, and nothing useful new stuff. The grouped tabs just not work very well. Separated windows work much better for same purposes. If I want to group my tabs, I create a new window and move tabs there. Sadly, there are a lot of bugs and issues introduces lately that hinders that workflow.

The newest version introduced a bug where a new window is created when the only tab is moved to new window. So you get empty extra Windows when you move a tab to other window. Quite annoying. And also, we can't' resize windows from top border anymore. And dozens of old ones. Like, tabs can't be dropped to empty space of the top bar.

I can't understand how it is even possible that these kinds of things get to the released version. And there are many more basic issues with tabs that have been ignored for a long time. Then we get some chess-plugins instead of fixes to basic functionality, Really? What the f is going on with Opera?

Try any other browsers, handling of tabs is light years away, Oper. It makes me quite angry and sad.

^ This!
I'm so, so sad they are ruining such a nice browser that I've been using since like 2004. Also, as a QA Engineer with +13 years of experience, I simply can't believe how they let so many bugs to sneak in to every stable release of Opera. Unbelievably sad.

leocg

leocg Moderator Volunteer @kHellstre

@khellstre Well, none of those issues are exactly release blockers and they are being worked on.

leocg

leocg Moderator Volunteer @kHellstre

@khellstre "Why you keep adding features?" x "Why you only fix bugs" is kinda of part of Opera's history.

cookie-drummer

cookie-drummer @leocg

@leocg said in Opera 102.0.4880.70 Stable update:

@khellstre Well, none of those issues are exactly release blockers and they are being worked on.

Crash when trying to upload a file is not a release blocker? Wake up, buddy.

leocg

leocg Moderator Volunteer @cookie-drummer

@cookie-drummer That was one of those cases of issues that, unfortunately, is only discovered after the release.

A Former User

Point is, Vivaldi released their long time missing iOS version yesterday, already better than Opera‘s hands down. So with these many bugs no reason to use Opera any longer. I for myself will return to Vivaldi for a more painless experience.
So, it‘s time for a farewell. Hope you get back on track anytime soon.

andrew84

andrew84 @leocg

@leocg said in Opera 102.0.4880.70 Stable update:

they are being worked on.

I would not say that ~ half an a year is the period that can be called as 'working on' to restore the ordinary functionality (regarding the draggable tabs management at least). I would call it as not enough attention the their own blog and forum (or simply ignoring confirmed reasonable. complaints).