Despite Opera releasing this series of versions into production, the product does not feel production-ready. I qualify this by the large number of bugs I continue to encounter, with a significant portion of the bugs being severe. I regard Opera crashing as well as the loss of all (>140) tabs as severe. I regard missing bookmark folders, display issues, lost Tab Islands, etc. as minor issues.

My work is mostly performed within a browser, and for this I use 3 Windows-based browsers, with Opera being my primary. I won't go into why Opera is my primary other than to say it has a ton of fantastic features and that I have used it since the early days. However, I do use other browsers because none of them are perfect and there are certain sites that just don't work properly in Opera, for example certain Microsoft admin sites.

Recently though Opera has made life difficult with the many bugs, some of which I am encountering repeatedly and that cause a lot of extra work for me. For example, I use 5 workspaces with approximately 30 open tabs in each, and I have many of the tabs in those workspaces grouped into tab islands. I am organised. Every now & again Opera loses all my open tabs which means (a) I have to use a 3rd-part extension to record my tabs so I can restore what Opera lost, (b) I have to restore & manually reallocate the tabs to their correct workspaces and (c) I have to manually put tabs back into the correct tab islands. And this has happened several times. That is a lot of repeated fixing for something that is supposed to be production-ready.

I have reported numerous bugs over the long time I have used Opera. I am sure others sometimes report the same bugs, as well as many others I haven't encountered. Opera never indicates to the bug-submitter if the issue has been replicated and resolved. If the bug is easily reproducible it is easy to test if its been resolved in a future release (sometimes only after many future releases), but often the bug is not easily reproducible. Opera should notify the submitter when it has been addressed. Because I never know which of my bugs have been addressed, sometimes I have to re-submit a bug that occurs again after an Opera update. It might be that Opera still has this bug open, or they may have closed the bug and hoped it was fixed, but I never know which.

I am sure Opera cares about its community of users. Tell us how we can more effectively help you improve the product other that simply submitting bugs or posting on this forum.

Likewise, please think how you can better address the issues your community raises via bug submissions, suggestions and blog posts like this.

Thank you.

Hi @GMtnezS, I tried a few session managers after I posted that message and I settled on Session Buddy. It worked well in Chrome and Opera, although with some annoyances. The majority of my browsing is in Opera but the extension came from the Chrome Store.

Then Session Buddy was completely rewritten. The extension still worked in Chrome (with many fewer features) but didn't work in Opera at all. I have been living on the edge without a session manager in Opera for a while now. Your note prompted me to give it another look and it seems they have added missing functionality and fixed the issues. It installed in Opera and has successfully stored a couple of collections. Time will tell if it works 100%.

Be sure to configure the settings to the way you want.

https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/session-buddy/edacconmaakjimmfgnblocblbcdcpbko?hl=en

Despite Opera releasing this series (Opera One) into production, the product does not feel production-ready. I qualify this by the large number of bugs I continue to encounter, with a significant portion of the bugs being severe. I regard Opera crashing as well as the loss of all (>140) tabs repeatedly as severe. I regard missing bookmark folders, display issues, lost Tab Islands, etc. as minor issues.

My work is mostly performed within a browser, and for this I use 3 Windows-based browsers, with Opera being my primary. I won't go into why Opera is my primary other than to say it has a ton of fantastic features and that I have used it since the early days. However, I do use other browsers because none of them are perfect and there are certain sites that just don't work properly in Opera, for example certain Microsoft admin sites.

Recently though Opera has made life difficult with the many bugs, some of which I am encountering repeatedly and that cause a lot of extra work for me. For example, I use 5 workspaces with approximately 30 open tabs in each, and I have many of the tabs in those workspaces grouped into tab islands. I am organised. Every now & again Opera loses all my open tabs which means (a) I have to use a 3rd-part extension to record my tabs so I can restore what Opera lost, (b) I have to restore & manually reallocate the tabs to their correct workspaces and (c) I have to manually put tabs back into the correct tab islands. And this has happened several times. That is a lot of repeated fixing for something that is supposed to be production-ready.

I have reported numerous bugs over the long time I have used Opera. I am sure others sometimes report the same bugs, as well as many others I haven't encountered. Opera never indicates to the bug-submitter if the issue has been replicated and resolved. If the bug is easily reproducible it is easy to test if its been resolved in a future release (sometimes only after many future releases), but often the bug is not easily reproducible. Opera should notify the submitter when it has been addressed. Because I never know which of my bugs have been addressed, sometimes I have to re-submit a bug that occurs again after an Opera update (causing more admin for Opera). It might be that Opera still has this bug open, or they may have closed the bug and hoped it was fixed, but I never know which.

I am sure Opera cares about its community of users. Tell us how we can more effectively help you improve the product other that simply submitting bugs or posting on this forum.

Likewise, please think how you can better address the issues your community raises via bug submissions, suggestions and blog posts like this.

Thank you.

@kmara: I don't get paid by Opera (it is free after all).

My comment to you wasn't intended to help others. It was to say that your idea of Opera "stuffing it to you" is actually an industry-wide, standard and good auto-update practice, and to say I believe Opera is taking the current issue seriously.

I think your helping others that have been bitten by this issue is commendable. We should be helping if we can.

My Opera auto-updated to 102 without an issue. Fortunately. However my Sync setting was also disabled after this update and after previous updates. I previously reported this as bug BS-67640 on 18th August 2023. I trust you also reported it via the bug system.

I can confirm that the data I have synced with Opera has not been deleted (unlike what you have alluded to in your case). You can login to https://www.sync.opera.com/ and check if your bookmarks, history etc. really was deleted from your account or was simply not synced to Opera after the sync was disabled during the update to 102.

@kmara: No problem. I do understand everyone's frustrations with the recent issues. See this recent post of mine: https://forums.opera.com/post/323418

I am glad the Sync website helped. Over the years I have collected various Opera URL's.

I have previously lost local Opera data after an Opera crash. I lost all my tabs & tab islands, but not bookmarks or extensions. I have never knowingly lost any data from my Opera account (via Opera Sync). My bookmarks and tabs are most important to me, and less so my extensions. Occasionally (once every few months) I export my bookmarks and update a Google Drive spreadsheet with a list of my extensions. I have tested hundreds of extensions over the years but currently only install & use 6. I copy the bookmarks export to Google Drive.

To protect my open tabs (I usually have > 100 open) I use the Session Buddy extension. I have tested numerous extensions to perform this function but Session Buddy works the best for me. It periodically and automatically backs up all open tabs, and I can manually trigger a backup when I am about do something potentially risky (like manually updating Opera). Restoring all tabs is extremely easy. Also, it is very handy when moving from one PC to another.

@andrew84: I think some forget this is a collaboration between the Opera developers, Opera QA and users. Each have a part to play in fixing and improving the product. Sometimes it falls more in one group than in the others, but it would be wise for everyone to recognise the importance of them all.

I wish there was more direct communication between the users and Opera. I realise not all users have useful, quantifiable input to give but many do. People like in the community. So many bugs and useability issue have been found by this community. I also wish there was a means to see which of my bugs are still in an unresolved state within Opera - there is no way to see this list.

Most top-tier browsers appear to sync their Extensions, making re-installation of the browser easier. Why does Opera not sync extensions and is it on the roadmap to implement?

Thanks @burnout426, I give these URLs a try.

@brise21: It seems the version from the Chrome Web Store is being maintained and works fine. The version in the Opera addons store is NOT being maintained.

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/take-webpage-screenshots/mcbpblocgmgfnpjjppndjkmgjaogfceg/related?hl=en

I read something about work-spaces coming to Opera Desktop where tabs would be grouped. I am one of those who works with many tabs open. This would be the feature I'd love to have prioritised.

Hi @GMtnezS, I tried a few session managers after I posted that message and I settled on Session Buddy. It worked well in Chrome and Opera, although with some annoyances. The majority of my browsing is in Opera but the extension came from the Chrome Store.

Then Session Buddy was completely rewritten. The extension still worked in Chrome (with many fewer features) but didn't work in Opera at all. I have been living on the edge without a session manager in Opera for a while now. Your note prompted me to give it another look and it seems they have added missing functionality and fixed the issues. It installed in Opera and has successfully stored a couple of collections. Time will tell if it works 100%.

Be sure to configure the settings to the way you want.

https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/session-buddy/edacconmaakjimmfgnblocblbcdcpbko?hl=en

@paul-durham I found the issue. The tick-box (check-box) to agree to the terms looks like it is ticked when it is not (my Opera is in dark mode). However, the ticked & unticked state both have a tick in the box. Please change this behaviour so that the tick is only present when the box has been ticked.

@burnout426 Were you able to post the competition's online form?

Patrick, the competition form doesn't allow a submission. I have tried with Opera & other browsers. It complains that "This field cannot be left blank". I have even tried in private tried mode and by disabling extensions.

@andrew84: I think some forget this is a collaboration between the Opera developers, Opera QA and users. Each have a part to play in fixing and improving the product. Sometimes it falls more in one group than in the others, but it would be wise for everyone to recognise the importance of them all.

I wish there was more direct communication between the users and Opera. I realise not all users have useful, quantifiable input to give but many do. People like in the community. So many bugs and useability issue have been found by this community. I also wish there was a means to see which of my bugs are still in an unresolved state within Opera - there is no way to see this list.

@genegold @leocg

Why not create a bookmark called "H" in the first position on your bookmark bar, and make the url for this bookmark whatever you want as your homepage? See below example.

@rijndael9 Thanks @rijndael9, it happens

@leocg: I want to see what's behind "and fixed more issues reported by you".

@thelittlebrowserthatcould: I'd also like to see the changelog to see which of the bugs I reported are resolved.

@xb70 The latest release is 102.0.4880.56, which is later than what you have installed.

Opera mentioned they have temporarily disabled the mechanism that was messing up Opera profiles, so this upgrade shouldn't give you the same issue.

What I have done in the past when my Opera installation has been in a real mess is the following. If you feel up to it and if its worth the hassle to you, perhaps give it a try. The process doesn't rely on Extensions or other software to do the work, other than somewhere to save results:

Preparation:

• Ensure Opera Sync is enabled and that all categories you are interested in are enabled.
• Export your Bookmarks (even though they should be synced). You can also use this export to import into other browsers if you wanted.
• Document all the extensions you have in use. Use a spreadsheet for this so you have a permanent record.
• Document your enabled Workspace names.
• Record your open Tabs, one Workspace at a time. Click on the first tab, hold down shift and click on the last tab. Right-click on any of the now-selected tabs and click "Copy page addresses". In a spreadsheet paste the results (Ctrl-v). The URLs for all the tabs you selected will be in the result.
• In Opera, Help, About Opera, in the "Paths" section, record all 3 paths listed. You'll need this information after you uninstall Opera, so paste it in a spreadsheet too.
• Document anything else about your Opera setup that you wish to record.

The Clean-up

• Uninstall Opera
• Delete everything in all 3 "Paths" you recorded above.
• Download & install a fresh copy of Opera. https://www.opera.com/
• Enable Opera Sync & check that your bookmarks are back (might take a minute to sync).
• Install only the Extensions you need.
• Enable & rename your Workspaces.
• Create new tabs (one at a time) based on the list of tabs you saved above.

I am sure there are other parts of an Opera installation others can suggest documenting too, but the above covers all my bases.

Good luck.