New commenting mechanism on Opera blogs
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A Former User last edited by
@amatczak: I'm sorry, could you just say a few words, why did you give up the Disqus commenting system?
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A Former User last edited by A Former User
@amatczak said in New commenting mechanism on Opera blogs:
@aphaltgrau What would be the reason (...)
not to dodge it. What is already stated in last post applies: a "jump-function" only makes sense if it is functional in both directions. Reasons don't matter at all!
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amatczak Opera last edited by amatczak
@johnd78 Sure, I think I can. Without going into too much details: we decided (long time ago, really - we just didn't have resources to address that earlier!) that Disqus is not fulfilling all our needs:
- Most importantly, it is a burden (on several levels) to maintain multiple distinct channels of communication with our users. This lead to issues being signaled to us several times in different places. That's a duplicated effort for everyone. We wish to make the forums a place where our developers and staff is more active and, by that, we want to make it more useful for everyone. Until now their attention tended to gravitate towards Disqus, not leaving them enough time to participate in discussions here. We hope to change that and that is the main reason for making the switch.
- There are some features that Disqus simply does not provide, like ability to easily pin the same comments thread to several (closely related) blog posts - again leading to duplicated issues and noise in communication, ability to easily reference other comments from other blog posts/threads, or any search tool whatsoever.
- Problems with reliability of Disqus, mentioned before.
- Spam and lack of resources to moderate two distinct channels of communication.
- We fully acknowledge that Disqus it is a more powerful and polished tool, at least from user perspective. It would be weird if it wasn't, given the fact that it is their core product and they have years of development and probably a big team behind it. At the same time it is a "take it or leave it", off-the-shelf product with zero possibility to modify if something is not working for us - which is the case here.
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amatczak Opera last edited by
@aphaltgrau I definitely would not call it "dodging it".
It is an effort to add such feature and we must know if and how this could be useful for anyone, so that we can prioritize this accordingly, since every change takes time. Implementing this "just because" and "reasons don't matter at all" is not a good way to manage company resources and not a good way to provide meaningful enhancements to you.
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andrew84 last edited by
Maybe the blog topic on forum must be more easier to find now. Currently it is in General topics> blog, but can be in Home category. Or in 'Opera for computers' there should be 'Version History' topic with 'Stable/Developer/Beta' subtopics and corresponding comments from both blog and forum.
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A Former User last edited by
@amatczak: Moderation tool is on the people who manage the website. Having a lack of resources for moderation, while fan website for games and much more can easily moderate is on Opera.
You can easily refer to other blog post/comments if you use disqus, can easily refer to android authority if needed for example.
It has better accessibility than whatever Opera does thats for sure.
As for pinning that is a relatively new thing for comments even on Youtube and is not preferred by some users. Pinning is minute issue at best.
As for your comment ""take it or leave it", off-the-shelf product with zero possibility to modify if something is not working for us - which is the case here." guess what other program does exactly that? It's called Opera Browser! Given Opera's poor reply's on topics such as allowing users custom search engine, instead of forcing users to use the privacyless ones like Google, Yahoo, Yandex etc. as well as through instant search for example (which is half baked like all of Opera's features.)
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A Former User last edited by
@aphaltgrau: I agree, it's currently lightyears behind Disqus and other commenting systems. Most places have in fact switched to Disqus as it's become one of the biggest and best cross website commenting system.
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A Former User last edited by
@amatczak: Then Moderate disqus properly not half-assed like the browser. And from your comments i see that you are quite close minded individual. "What would be the reason someone would want to jump back to the same comment from forums to blogs? " so you can follow the conversation! actually reply/upvote etc.
Real question would be who wouldn't want it? except you of course.
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A Former User last edited by
Tell me when you will release an app on devices so i can easily reply to comments like what Disqus has, then I will be satisfied as well as bringing back the plethora of features that the Blog side of the comment section is missing(/ have lost from Disqus) compared to the forum side.
More restrictionism on Opera's side is all i see at this point. It's less personalizable than Chrome which is the blandest of all browsers!
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A Former User last edited by
@johnd78: Essential what they said was:
- they didn't have enough resources or man-power to moderate it like everyone else who uses it include amateur websites.
- Want to restrict users to their forums.
- Didn't know how to integrate it properly into their system for communication
- There are some features that Opera wants that isn't available in Disqus and they don't know how to provide feedback to Disqus as a user of it.
- Didn't like that Disqus went down that one time.
- They know that Disqus is better they just don't like it.
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A Former User last edited by
@leocg Then abandon the blog section and implement the blogs into the forums instead. Streamline it.
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leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by leocg
@artexjay Like I said, I guess the idea is exactly to make blogs and forums an unique place, so the discussions won't be split in several channels and it should make things more easy for users and Opera employees.
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A Former User last edited by leocg
@amatczak said in New commenting mechanism on Opera blogs:
@aphaltgrau I definitely would not call it "dodging it".
It is an effort to add such feature and we must know if and how this could be useful for anyone, so that we can prioritize this accordingly, since every change takes time. (...)
it was not the question of whether the Opera resources fit - or not.
First of all it is only a question of pure logic. sure you've heard of it?!
And only in one direction it's unlogical and remains nonsense! And even if it's repeated by 3 other mods, that supposedly nobody would need it, it is and remains nonsense - (a bit)!
Whether this is really feasible is another issue. But to implement a function only halfway is, once again: nonsense. What is that supposed to mean?
And why are you wasting so much energy squirming and hiding?!In the present form, commenting is unnecessarily difficult, impractical, difficult to read, illogically pieced together, etc., pp.
One has the impression that something was knitted with a hot needle. Or with (a bit much) cluelessness - sorry, no offense.
But considering e.g. artexjay's note (5-10, 19:44), if you don't want to stay light years behind, you have to do something. And urgently! Without ifs and buts. And also without distracting and avoiding again and again. Your smoke candles are quite obviously recognizable ...
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andrew84 last edited by
@leocg: For example I preferred using the blog over forum because of the 'tree' view and notifications (red circle next to username) and, of course, because of Opera team's feedback. Forum will never have the 'tree' comments structure and notifications work there for all the post instead of only mine's related. Personally, I'd prefer using only one environment for comments instead of 'jumping'.
As I mentioned earlier I very support some Opera's own system for the feedback from users. But new system should become by improvement version of the current one. And the fact that Disqus was more popular than forum among users till know (including Opera team) tells me that Disqus was more informative and easier. Even the changelog is more detailed in the blog.
If you think that the forum is absolutely comfortable to use, I don't see what's the point of the blog currently. Blog can contain only some general info about Opera (news, events, achievements) and few links to popular topics on forum instead of the version by version announcement with detailed changelogs. And the whole versions history with changelogs and other stuff can be moved to the forum. -
burnout426 Volunteer last edited by
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I'd like to have the voting buttons and count visible in the blog post like they are in the forums.
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I'd like to have the "view forums thread" link at the top of the user comments section on the blog page too. Currently it's only on the bottom.
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frenzie last edited by
@andrew84 said in New commenting mechanism on Opera blogs:
notifications (red circle next to username)
Disqus logs you out constantly and always displays a deceptive red circle as soon as it does. It's probably the most noticeable intentional misfeature. By contrast, there's a magical place with an actually functional notification icon. One guess...
@andrew84 said in New commenting mechanism on Opera blogs:
And the fact that Disqus was more popular than forum among users till know (including Opera team) tells me that Disqus was more informative and easier.
It tells you people follow the blog and feel the impulse to comment on the blog. Nothing more and nothing less. That might tell you something about Opera's browser and blog posts, but preciously little about Disqus.
Fyi, the widely disliked Disqus system fails to load again this morning:
Disqus is utterly unusable on mobile. Or it would be if it actually loaded. Most of the time it gets stuck using all your CPU like a malicious bitcoin miner until it craps out.
These days Disqus loads even less than back on its introduction in 2014. Make no mistake, some of us still posted a few comments occasionally in spite of Disqus. It used to be that Disqus was noticeably less dependable than anything else, where anything else basically loaded 99.99 % of the time and Disqus only some 90-95 %, usually fixed by a refresh. In 2019 it's literally down to loading on some days and not loading on others, refresh or not.
In short, the fact that Disqus is terrible is pretty much irrelevant. If Disqus worked I'd dislike it, as I detailed in a rare Disqus comment on the Opera blog back in 2014. On good old My Opera that'd have been quite easy to find; on Disqus it might be borderline impossible.
Either way, Disqus quite simply doesn't work at all anymore, so it needs to be replaced by something that does. Even if that something were somehow worse than Disqus, like the impressively, even caricaturishly awful Facebook comments. As luck would have it, this forum is a lot better than Disqus.
@andrew84 said in New commenting mechanism on Opera blogs:
And the whole versions history with changelogs and other stuff can be moved to the forum.
Not in its current form. There's no relevant newsfeed available afaict, just new comments per category.
@burnout426 said in New commenting mechanism on Opera blogs:
I'd like to have the "view forums thread" link at the top of the user comments section on the blog page too. Currently it's only on the bottom.
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burnout426 Volunteer last edited by
@frenzie said in New commenting mechanism on Opera blogs:
@burnout426 said in New commenting mechanism on Opera blogs:
I'd like to have the "view forums thread" link at the top of the user comments section on the blog page too. Currently it's only on the bottom.
+1 Also it should read "View forum thread" instead.
Definitely. Even if it can be considered correct, the current wording sounds funny.
