[Compilation]Discussions on Scrolling doesn't work if the mouse is on the edge of the screen

[andrew84]

andrew84 @akasudesu last edited by

@akasudesu the problem here is that the border is by design.
So solution here is to remove the border completely.
But if they'll remove the border, it'll break the idea of the modular design with its rounded corners. Maybe I'm wrong, but I have doubts that they'll qualify the existing problem as an issue or bug.

[Clayem]

Clayem @leocg last edited by

@leocg I like the new design, too, but it ruins absolutely all user habits. I'm sure everyone on the planet just moves the cursor to the right during a quick scroll, without having to move it a millimeter to the left afterwards.

[leocg]

leocg Moderator Volunteer @Clayem last edited by

@clayem Well, I don't do that. I just use the scroll button and don't really care where the cursor is.
And for me it's the normal behavior.

[luciflash]

luciflash @Clayem last edited by

@clayem I don't. I move it to the absolute left. The issue remains the same though.
Anyone who uses the scroll bar is a maniac

[A Former User]

A Former User @luciflash last edited by A Former User

@luciflash said

Anyone who uses the scroll bar is a maniac

How do you move quickly down long pages?

[andrew84]

andrew84 last edited by

Sometimes I use mouse's middle click to quickly scroll, but this doesn't excuse the ill-conceived design.

[luciflash]

luciflash @Guest last edited by luciflash

@vegelund I have an MX Master with a magnetic freespin mouse wheel.
Basically I fling the wheel and it keeps going for tens/hundreds of lines.

When I don't have my mouse, I use the technique that @andrew84 mentioned before.

[A Former User]

A Former User @luciflash last edited by A Former User

@luciflash and @andrew84

I'm on a ThinkPad X1 and use the TrackPoint for mouse movement.

For scrolling I can use:

• The middle mouse button. That will scroll at a linear and constant pace, taking forever to get from 2/20 to 18/20 of a page.

• The up/down arrows on the keyboard or top/bottom arrows of scrollbar with same result; linear scroll speed and takes forever.

• Page up/down buttons or click above/below the scrollbar. Same thing here, will take 30 clicks to move from top to bottom of a long page.

• Catch the scrollbar and pull it up/down. Based on the pressure I place on the TrackPoint I can increase/decrease the speed of scrolling, to elegantly move throughout a large page and easily stop wherever I want.

So for moving on long webpages the scrollbar is invaluable to me.

[andrew84]

andrew84 last edited by

I'd like to hear from Opera team about some benefits of the web content's border. Why the border is cool, what extra usability it offers and etc.

[A Former User]

A Former User @andrew84 last edited by A Former User

@andrew84

No worries. It will be fixed.
It’s an obvious mistake for Chromium behavior.

@leocg said

And for me it's the normal behavior.

My beef with you is that while you are the most prolific poster on this forum by magnitudes,
you are never remotely critical of anything produced by Opera.

It usually goes like this:

A new release, feature or bug comes along.
A huge number of users comment negatively on this and want change.
@leocg loves it and sees nothing wrong...

After some time, Opera realizes it was a mistake and fixes it.

Now, who was correct?
and who was blatantly gullible and out of touch with common users?

[leocg]

leocg Moderator Volunteer @Guest last edited by

@vegelund Just because something has changed doesn't necessarily mean that it was wrong or bad before, but that people may prefer things in a different way.
It's known that (human) brain doesn't like changes and (people) may have difficulties adapting to those changes.

Also, just because someone can't see or reproduce a problem doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. And just because someone is having a problem doesn't mean that it affects everyone.

[A Former User]

A Former User @leocg last edited by

@leocg Fair enough.

[AlterBridg3]

AlterBridg3 last edited by

Had to reinstall windows, and this new opera is giving me scrolling issues since i often put my cursor on very left side of the screen. Also speed dials have worse visuals, really prefer it old way.

I thought my opera was up to date prior to windows reinstall. But this one is clearly completely different version. Is there other version i can download without rounded corners and all that jazz?

[xzabuzax]

xzabuzax last edited by leocg

If you have the window maximized and you move the cursor of the mouse to the scroll bar on the right but the cursor hits the corner then the scroll bar won't work since you can't select it, you need to move the mouse a little bit to the left to select the scroll bar, this is SO annoying, this is the only browser that does this shit! this never happened with the previous version.

The culprit for this annoying issue or bug is the new stupid border that was added on the right in Opera One, for the love of god, please fix this shit! in the beginning I kind of liked the new GUI but I'm starting to hate it now, this is so annoying!

[kingfish84]

kingfish84 last edited by

With the new Opera the vertical scroll bar is no longer flush with the edge of the window when maximised. This is extremely annoying as it means that if you move the mouse to the rightmost part of the screen you cannot click on the scroll bar to drag it. This seems to be inspired by the the bubble design of the browser? Anyway, very frustrating - please change Opera!

[SaeedP]

SaeedP @xzabuzax last edited by

@xzabuzax Thank you for mentioning that! I was trying to find a setting for it but no luck. Also the empty spaces and borders (even though very small) for different elements are adding some redundancies which made me to remove my bookmark bar to see more content of the webpage. Looking forward to see the fix for it.

[lishaak]

lishaak last edited by

I can confirm this and I have the same problem. As a developer I use the scrollbar very often (I usually work with very long pages and I use it even here to scroll to the bottom). I think is not so hard to fix this issue (as clicking on the tabs above is already fixed). Although I love the new design, but it has these issues :|

[stevenjcee]

stevenjcee @leocg last edited by

@leocg On the other hand, if a change adversely affects the experience of a lot of users (especially when the change doesn't actually add anything of practical use), posting several time, simply to say "since I don't use the method that the change impacts, I'm fine with it", contributes nothing helpful to the discussion.
Although it's not quite as snarky, as those who, when a lot of people complain about having a certain issue, will post that they aren't having any problem, so it must not be a real issue.
These forums are for those having problems to try and find solutions, extraneous comments announcing they don't have a problem, or that it can't really be a problem, to demean others or negate their experience , have no place, as they are not productive.

[A Former User]

A Former User @Guest last edited by A Former User

The forum making a new reference note for every edit of the original post is very unnecessary and ads noise to a thread.

If one forum URL reference in one post, there should be one reference note.

[stevenjcee]

stevenjcee @lishaak last edited by

@lishaak I've also found the scrollbar to be either not there at all, or it's so light in color, it blends right into the page, and is really hard to see.
Oddly, one place I notice the bar missing is Opera's own start page! I may be way down the page, viewing news items, and find there's no easy way back to the top, due to a missing scrollbar!!