Opera 119.0.5497.88 Stable update
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whisperer last edited by"Here is the full changelog."
Hardly. Why is so little listed there? I mean the crash when hovering over the Bookmarks menus is fixed too. Wasn't that worth mentioning?
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deathcat last edited byThey can't update the engine, they're lagging behind the original as amateurs, and not a serious company by 3 numbers, so they just started lying that it was updated. Well done.
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deathcat last edited by
@antonio1678: Now copy-paste will give out that they carefully test and care about your well-being, and 134 is 135 or it is a cosmetic bug))) They have bred a lot of garbage with GX and Air, and the corpse of Neon has surfaced with some AI functions, and there are not enough people to do all this nonsense. As a result, the main line of the browser is as if it is being done by a couple of people as a hobby.
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SheriffOfGrace last edited byTo be honest: They haven't corrected neither blog post nor changelog so far.
In another thread I asked about Opera trailing three versions of Chromium and I got this answer:
https://forums.opera.com/topic/84462/general-reliability-security-and-privacy-of-opera/12
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deathcat last edited by
@andrew84: It's a mess because the company doesn't have a strategy, they don't know who they're making the browser for and why. They have underdeveloped games in the form of Crypto, GX, Air, Neon, and apparently there is no limit to this idiocy, as a result, bugs on a normal browser are not fixed, and they even have a leaky 135 on their Dev channel, when 138 is already stable for other developers.
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SheriffOfGrace last edited by
@deathcat I don’t think, anybody forces you to use this browser or their siblings. You can use them for free. If you do despise them so much, just hop off and use another. There are plenty. If you are so pissed off you might want to do this.
I‘m also playing with this thought like maybe a few others too. I‘m wondering and asking, still. And I‘m aware that no other browser comes without issues. -
andrew84 last edited by
@SheriffOfGrace That's was some standart answer about features. Edge also have a bunch of features and it's on 137 version. You may say that the development team is much more bigger there. Yes, of course. But at the same time, if the development resource is limited, there's no need to release and support different browsers. And regarding the features, some features (old ones) still don't work as expected. That's why I'm stuck on pre-One version. So for me the feature support is not an argument to excuse the versions delay.
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daria19 Opera last edited by
@sheriffofgrace: Thanks for your message.
Could you clarify what exactly you find wrong or missing in the changelog? We're always open to improving our transparency and accuracy, so specific feedback would be helpful.
Also, regarding the thread you linked: our security team provided detailed responses there, addressing the concerns around Chromium versioning and general security practices. Is there anything in particular that's still unclear or unanswered from that explanation? We’d be happy to elaborate further if needed.
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whisperer last edited by
@deathcat said in Opera 119.0.5497.88 Stable update:
@andrew84: It's a mess because the company doesn't have a strategy, they don't know who they're making the browser for and why. They have underdeveloped games in the form of Crypto, GX, Air, Neon, and apparently there is no limit to this idiocy, as a result, bugs on a normal browser are not fixed, ...
That is their business model. The company of course wants en needs to make money and the different browsers are different ways to make money. AFAIK most money comes from Google. When you see a free browser made for gamers, think of it as a browser made to get money from game developers and distributors. Similar for other type of browsers. If you want to know how that works, ask a decent AI model, to get an idea.
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daria19 Opera last edited by
@deathcat: Thanks for pointing that out. We made a mistake and listed the wrong version earlier, as it is only a part of the master branch. To clarify: the current version on the master (developer) branch is indeed 135.0.7049.42, while the stable version is 134.0.6998.205.
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daria19 Opera last edited by
@whisperer: Thanks for the feedback! The changelog focuses mainly on major changes. We understand that smaller fixes matter too and will try to improve the detail in future updates.
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daria19 Opera last edited by
@frozenfan53: Could you let us know exactly what's not working on your end—or if you’re seeing any errors or specific behavior?
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daria19 Opera last edited by
@antonio1678: Just to clear things up: the current Chromium version on stable is 134.0.6998.205, and on the developer version it’s 135.0.7049.42. We take your feedback seriously, and your concerns help us improve.
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daria19 Opera last edited by
@sheriffofgrace: Just to clear things up: the current Chromium version on stable is 134.0.6998.205, and on the developer version it’s 135.0.7049.42. The mistake in the changelog was an error on our part, not an attempt to mislead — and we’ve taken steps to fix it.
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daria19 Opera last edited by
@sheriffofgrace: Just to clear things up: the current Chromium version on stable is 134.0.6998.205, and on the developer version it’s 135.0.7049.42. The mistake in the changelog was an error on our part, not an attempt to mislead — and we’ve taken steps to fix it.
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SheriffOfGrace last edited by
@whisperer @andrew84 Totally right, Opera has to make money. The most money they're earning at the moment is from ads, while search revenue, only accounting for some 30% I think, is decreasing.
You could also say, that maintaining only one browser, either Opera One or the pre-One, doesn't get them enough users, though. GX has seen a rising in users as One to my knowledge has not. Custom browsers are a way to raise awareness and win new markets. The standard browser landscape is already crowded and most people stick to the browser that comes with their OS or download Chrome.
BTW that's the reason why Firefox struggles too. They haven't found a sustainable business model so far. Even Vivaldi, which has contracts with search engines, now actively asks for donations which they refused some years ago.
I'm not sure, how big their developer team is. As they're drawing on Chromium, most of them will work on adjusting Chrome to Opera's specific features and UI. Someone said that their development team was as about 10 times as big as Vivaldi's and then it were about 300 to 500.
I see part of the reason to change to the new UI design that it would make it rather easy to modulate on it to create something like GX and Air. Taking Opera Crypto as a blueprint, they might in a foreseeable time, abandon even GX, Air and Neon for a version of One, that is able to be customized as one of these offsprings. I installed Air some time ago out of curiosity and it didn't seem to be so much different then.What sticks me to Opera, still, then? Well, name me another browser, that doesn't come with some annoyance of its own:
Chrome - data harvesting for Google
Edge - data harvesting for Microsoft
Firefox - slower and probably more insecure compared to Chromium
Brave - too much focus on crypto, some shady actions behind the wall
Vivaldi - very small team, still often buggy, too many features
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andrew84 last edited by andrew84
@SheriffOfGrace I don't ask much. I simply would like the basic things worked as smooth as in pre One versions.
Particularly I mean tabs management on the tabstrip for example. And this still looks broken for me (since the One version announcement ~2 years ago). And some other issues related to habitual features which still stay unfixed.Look what I mean as an example (maybe it's an uncommon scenario, but still the issue exists).
I simply want to insert speed dial tab between Opera and youtube tabs. First of all it's a lottery where the tab will jump. Despite of visually it will be inserted before the youtube tab, after mouse button release the tab is jumping on the first position. And it also blocks tabs sliding, tabs restore their positions. Also, after clicking 'new tab' button new tabs is creating somewhere in the middle, not as the last one.
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andrew84 last edited by andrew84
@whisperer said in Opera 119.0.5497.88 Stable update:
How are you supposed to go to another work space with the sidebar turned off? Shouldn't this be readily be available without defining a custom shortcut for each work space?
I had suggestion regarding this. Simply an icon (optional in Settings) next to the address bar, indicating what workspace is in use plus dropdown on click allowing to select workspaces.
