You can now decorate your tabs with Emojis in Opera 😎
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andrew84 last edited by
@rogue-river said in You can now decorate your tabs with Emojis in Opera
:Tab Islands is just a marketing name by Opera
Exactly.
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wonghow last edited by
@rogue-river that is why you are not understanding. Naming is for groups. Island is temporay use, you cannot save it, and not supposed to. Island is when you open links on a page into newtab, that is an action by human not AI. AI cannot know you opened a link from a page, then repeat again, and continue the same way. Edge AI grouping with a click is not grouping by links that came from. Eg. you open a link in gmail into a newtab, it is not related in anyway to be grouped by AI, one is mail and other one is not. It only can be tabisland, becuse you click the link into another newtab.
What is marketing name? Tab island design and purpose is totally different. You need to do some programming to understand.
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wonghow last edited by wonghow
@rogue-river modifying a function using extension does not prove any point, that the design was the same, because is being modified. Tabisland is a group by links clicked nothing else. Group Tab is grouping websites by you and save for later use.
Group tab is messy, shares same space as other tabs in the titlebar. Opera workspace is advanced tidy grouping of tabs.Group Tabs can even group unrelated websites, content. That is not tabisland, to say is the same is out of this world.
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leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by
@wonghow said:
Naming is for groups. Island is temporay use, you cannot save it, and not supposed to
Why?
Island is when you open links on a page into newtab
Nope, that's is opening a link in a new tab
AI cannot know you opened a link from a page, then repeat again, and continue the same way
That's what you get in Tab Islands if the option to automatic create them is enabled.
If I'm on site A and start opening links from that page in new tabs, they will all be grouped in a "island" (you could also called it a group) of tabs.
Tab island design and purpose is totally different
It's not.
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wonghow last edited by wonghow
@leocg island grouped from links is not group of tabs. group of tabs can group anything you put together, even is not related in any way.
And what is wrong of being automatic? island is for tracking links opened in newtabs, group tab is for grouping. One is for tracking, the other is for grouping and you say is the same.
Workspace already replace groups, and you still insist island is a group. You will always insist island is a group because you are requesting group features to island something that don't work like a grouptab. Did Opera called it Group, no, only you people insist island is a group, so to call it a GroupAnd why do you need AI for simple as grouping tabs??? are people that lazy?
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Rogue-River last edited by
@wonghow: There was no feature to save tab groups in Chrome initially. Just because Opera added a single extra feature of automatic tab grouping through links doesn't mean it's any different. Besides, in Opera, you can Ctrl+click to select tabs and create tab islands of tabs that aren't even related by links! So, it's Tab Islands are just like tab groups but worse. Grouping tabs by links is a feature that already existed in many Chrome extensions before Opera even released Tab Islands. I don't understand why you insist that they are fundamentally different. They aren't. Tab Islands is just a bad implementation of the original tab groups in Chrome.
Besides, having a feature where you can name tab islands wouldn't hurt. You will still be able to have unnamed tab islands just like unnamed tab groups in Chrome.
At the fundamental level, Opera tab islands use the same concept as Chrome tab groups; it just adds a functionality of auto grouping by links while discarding other functionalities of group naming and saving groups. If the base code for Tab Islands and Tab groups weren't the same, then the same chromium tab group extensions wouldn't work in both Opera and Chrome, which they do!
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leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by
@wonghow said:
group of tabs can group anything you put together, even is not related in any way.
You can do it in tab islands too.
And what is wrong of being automatic? island is for tracking links opened in newtabs, group tab is for grouping
Automatic creation of tab groups needs to have some parameters. In a initial implementation, that parameter is the fact that the new tabs were opened from the same page. However, in the future, maybe it can be defined that they will be opened based on domain, date, whatever.
If you disable automatic creation of tab islands, you can do those things manually.
Did Opera called it Group, no, only you people insist island is a group, so to call it a Group
Tab Islands do exactly the same that Tab Groups, created by Opera about twenty years ago, used to do.
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wonghow last edited by wonghow
@leocg your reply is incorrect. you don't even know the basic working of tab island. And Opera already made workspace replaced groups, and you still requesting group features. Group is old. Workspace surpasses Groups.
Tab island cannot group anything together. It must exist first by clicking on a link in newtab, is not suppose for you to drag any other tabs to it, even though you can. It is designed for tracking links. Group, needless to say again, can group any existing tabs.
disabling creation of tabs by link, do manually is losing the function of tabisland.
Do you think if you reply makes you correct? So there is no point in replying because Workspace replaces group. If you want to use groups use other browsers, is that simple.
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andrew84 last edited by andrew84
@wonghow So the islands are based on Chrome's groups but just modified to support automatic creation.
When auto is turned off then it's 100% group, so those who use it in manual mode (and those who don't use workspace because it requires sidebar using) request naming, color selection and etc.
As said before, Vivaldi also uses both 'workspaces' and groups but there it's called 'stacks'.
The fact that many users request naming, color select and etc. tells that the feature is narrowly targeted and fully rely on auto mode (which is optional) instead of being universal feature. And all the current complaints were yet predictable at the stage of development.
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rick2 last edited by rick2
@wonghow I know what Tab Islands are for, that's how I know I don't want them
I have no use for Tab Islands amd I have disabled them in my config.Edit: sorry, sent the post before finishing it
But! If I drag a tab and drop it on top of another tab, guess what happens?
A new Tab Island is created!Again: I don't want Tab Islands, I have no use for them, it's very annoying when they're created by mistake, and Opera doesn't provide an option to completely disable them
They're turning a browser I have used for years into a bloated PoS with every new "feature" added.
I'm sorry to say this, I really am, but I'm seriously considering switching to Firefox because I feel I'm constantly battilng Opera, not using it.
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Healing-Cross last edited by@andrew84 Yes, that's true. Vivaldi has them, too. And even for a whole lot longer than Opera (Chromium).
I myself find them more pleasant to the eye in Opera, actually, as I realized lately, when I gave Vivaldi another shot. Vivaldi's tab stacks can be arranged in very different ways, only one "accordeon mode" might be correctly compared to Opera's tab islands.
I myself don't rely on both very much honestly. I seldom open more than ten tabs per workspace, rather less than that. So for me it's more gimmicky than a real feature.
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rick2 last edited by
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Yup, it's disabled from day 1.Now, I have received an update to Opera Stable yesterday (110.0.5130.66, I had missed the announcement) and at least in this text box and 2 others I tried, the Aria icon is not shown, so maybe they fixed it.
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