The future of browsing: Opera One, the first AI-powered browser is ready for download
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blob1111 last edited by
The redesign in Opera One looks good but needs major work to improve its UX.
Biggest issue: the border around the webpage - worst UI decision I've ever seen in a desktop browser
I'm using a very standard setup (one 24 inch 1080p screen) and there's a 4px border around the web page. That means 8px of screen real estate wasted horizontally and 8px vertically. With a maximized window, the loss of space is noticeable compared to all other browsers and the screen feels smaller for no good reason. When the browser window is not maximized (ie. smaller window), it's even more obvious. And when you have multiple browser windows visible on your screen or pop ups open those borders are everywhere. The new rounded corners steal even more screen space.
Scrollbar usability killed
This has been mentioned by many other people, you can't reach the scrollbar anymore by dragging your mouse cursor to the right of the screen and just clicking. Also, the rounded corners cover part of the up/down buttons making it harder to click on them.
Then there are many minor issues. Here are some:
No hamburger icon in the standard location (rightmost position of the navigation bar)
There's a reason all other browsers have the hamburger icon there, it's an easy location to find visually and reach with the mouse. Opera 100 puts an icon here that most people won't find useful (extensions).
When lots of tabs are open (using the full width of the tab area), the active one gets resized
Again something that looks good but affects usability when you're switching between tabs with the mouse. All other modern browsers don't have this issue.
Big gap (8px in my screen) above the tabs
In Opera One, when you have a maximized window you can drag the mouse pointer to the very top of the screen and click on a tab (which is good). However the gap is so large that it's not intuitive to assume that a click on the gap will trigger a click on the corresponding tab.
Other browsers deal with this by making the tabs reach the top of the screen or they use a tiny margin, certainly not 8px.
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mryanmarkryan2 last edited byI rather like it
It feels more organized and the look is clean.Have you fscked your local propeller head today?
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Frederikathias last edited by
Hello,
I update opera stable to this version (via the browser) yesterday. Relaunched, update installed, all works fine.
Today I start opera : all my opened tabs in all sessions are gone. Is this linked to the update ? Is there a way to get them back ? -
alexs last edited by
Linux: No native possibility to set the UI language in the settings. Why? Every other browser can do that on Linux...
Linux: Opera does not remember the window size and position after restart.Please first fix the bugs, then tinker on the UI design.
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JoannaCzajka Opera last edited by
@frederikathias Hi. Thanks for the feedback. Sorry to hear that your tabs have gone. Can you share more details? Windows or Mac or Linux?
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Frederikathias last edited by
@joannaczajka Hello,
It's on a windows 10 machine.
Since yesterday I had the occasion to try the same on another windows 10 computer (did a backup of the files in case). But there I don't seem to have an issue, tabs are there after closing / reopening opera 100 (haven't tried to restart the computer yet).
On the machine with the tabs gone it seemed like the "sessions" (Following the profil path) folder was completely gone.
Now it's working but I imagine it would be difficult to retrieve my lost tabs ? -
mryanmarkryan2 last edited by
@frederikathias I think i encountered this. I thought at the time I closed my session with multiple tabs in different workspaces when I still had another session (instance of opera) that was still open but didn't have those tabs opened. When I closed the last session, it remembers that setup.
Have you fscked your local propeller head today?
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mryanmarkryan2 last edited by
@mryanmarkryan2 yeah so confirmed. To reproduce, open opera. Setup some tabs in various workspaces. Then open a new instance of opera. You should be able to alt-tab between them. Open a tab in instance 2. Now close instance 1, then close instance 2. Re-open opera. You will see only instance 2.
I think the workspaces are kind of limited in concept. I would have focused on Speed dial getting new functionality as far as saving tabs for the workspace. For example, the first row of speed dial (or a side row) would match the workspace. Close the session and the tabs for the workspace are saved there. Right-click and restore to restore them if they are not there. Speed dials are permanent, but tabs are not. I see plenty of flaws in my quick idea here, but that's the general idea. Basically, workspaces need to work correctly with other opera features.
Have you fscked your local propeller head today?
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AlizaNaomi last edited by
im not a fan of the UI, i miss having no large gap in sidebar is there anyway to just shift up the chat integrations (whatsapp, messenger twitter like the old version? (on mac)
also why cant we change order of these icons? the sidebar also feels more bulky and i dont like the border around the browser tab with round edges, it looks clumsy is there way we can disable this feature? -
ravasik last edited by
Good work, i like this design more, however I have problems with My Flow in this version - it always ends up with an error when trying to connect to a phone
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Generosus last edited by
Goodness gracious. Please accept this as constructive feedback. Opera One is a mess. Who made the decision to make such radical changes to Opera? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Respectfully, you guys have "bud-lighted" Opera. After 12+ years of using Opera, we've decided to part ways with it and, instead, use Brave. It's fast, simple, secure, and adaptable. What a shame. Best wishes, Team Opera.
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A Former User last edited by
@generosus It's the way like everything in the world that changes, you have to get used to it. I had used Opera even before you and I admit, that I'm really glad that it doesn't look like 2002 anymore.
I was glad with the former design, but the longer I use to new one, I am getting used to it. Just same but different, as in any other kind of process and progress. But I get the point.I'd rather shook my head that you were going to Brave. Really? To me it's nothing like a Chrome clone with hardcore adblocking. But designwise there isn't much to like there. Ok, it's easy because there are no features but the purple color-theme is a schock to the eye.
Would Vivaldi not be the more natural alternative for you?But that's only my personal two pence about it. Just see it as a constructive feedback.
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Art3misPC last edited by
I'm sorry but I really don't like this new design style for Opera. I'm not a fan of the rounded corners in Windows 11, and here they are again but even stronger - for me rounded corners make things look childish; and it's making the tabs, address bar and side bar a lot larger than they need to be, wasting screen space.
For tabs, I much prefer them to look like 'tabs', instead they now look like chunky buttons.
I think I'm going to have to look at other browsers. Such a shame. I really liked the previous version.
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Generosus last edited by
@himmelsheriff: Thanks for your reply. Much appreciated. Opera One is chrome-based as well. With all the "bells and whistles" added to Opera's baseline configuration, please expect a high number of vulnerabilities (CVEs) standing by to expose both your personal and professional information. So far, 251 vulnerabilities have been reported for Opera; only 3 for Brave. We'll take security over functionality anytime. And while security is important, so is speed. Brave outperforms Opera One by about 20%. In the end, no matter what, it's all about choice. We choose Brave at this time. Cheers
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A Former User last edited by
@generosus Thanks for your kind reply. You just helped me to get to the reasons for switching to Brave. These seem to be valid points, btw.
Yes, I agree, the new UI takes some time to getting used to it. And refinement is needed still, I agree as well.
But using Opera has never been about clean and simple only. But clean and simple and handy features. Clean and simple has been the philosophy around the time, they gave up Presto for Chromium. This was the time when all the die-hard fans of Old Opera so to speak went away, mostly to Vivaldi.
Nowadays "New Opera" has some unique features again. What I wonder about still is that you switched to Brave because of the easy UI, because Opera's UI may have gotten new polish for good or worse, but in general it's the same it's been before.
Also the fact that Opera had unclosed vulnerabilities is not new to Opera 100 (or One, as they call it). You've lived with that for 12+ yrs - why then the switch now?
I've been to Brave forums to have a look there. There a lot of complaints about Brave becoming laggy and hogging RAM lately. Also people complain that most effort is put into Bitcoin-integration not in browser features. I'm not quite sure that Brave really lives up to its own marketing.
Anyway have a good time with Brave! I'm sticking with Opera and testing the new UI and the new features (e.g. AI and tab management) for now! -
Generosus last edited by
@himmelsheriff: Again, thanks for your reply and insight. We switched for the reasons provided in our previous comments, but here's one more (a little suprise); Opera is now led by Zhou Yahui (China) while Brave is led by Brendan Eich (USA). We'll take "Made in USA" over "Made in China" anytime. So, now you know why Opera One was quick to integrate Tik Tok into it's code. Spyware? You decide.
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A Former User last edited by
@generosus Ok, I see. But Brave is funded by Peter Thiel. It's deeply involved in crypto (ok, Opera is as well, but not that much). Brave has been found guilty of adding referral links to the browser. Brendan Eich himself was among the homophobe and anti-vaccine crowd.
Opera browser AFAIK is made mainly in Poland (EU), central is headquartered in Norway, still subject to GDPR, and Norwegian law and publicly traded at NASDAQ.
Opera was bought by a Chinese consortium long ago - so no reason to switch now, I suppose. Chinese investors are holding the majority of stakes but the firm is still not Chinese.
There have been rumors of being sending data to China. I call that what it probably is: rumors! There's been no real evidence for any such claim in the past.
TikTiok has been added as an option to the sidebar long before Opera One. But to be sure: The sidebar is nothing else but a kind of bookmark. Don't use it, don't log in - don't send data to TikTok. If you don't like.
Still I don't see the reason, switching NOW. As all your points have been valid for quite a long time and are in no way specific to Opera One.
If I were to switch from Opera for the reasons you mentioned, I'd rather switch to Vivaldi (which is roughly what Opera was 12 yrs ago) or to Firefox, which comes with great privacy but without crypto scum. But that's me. I'm still using Opera joyfully these days, but will switch eventually when a better option may be avaiable.
So good luck with Brave! You decide! Thanks. You're very welcome. -
Generosus last edited by
@himmelsheriff: Apologies. Yes, you are correct. Tik Tok and other potential spyware channels were added to Opera (not Opera One) in 2022. Code can still intercept your browsing history, etc. whether you're logged in or not. Anyway, we spent more time in this forum that originally planned, but enjoyed the exchange. Best wishes.
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erebfraen last edited by
Why let such a crude product into the licks? The browser still has a huge number of bugs. The problem with the intrusive dialog box about configuring extensions has not yet been fixed
