Opera 69 comes with built-in Twitter
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chewy last edited by leocg
Please - No More Bloat. Please provide a way to Uninstall and completely Remove (by deleting all files, reg keys, etc.) twitter and "weather" integration. IMHO - It's not wanted / needed. I believe (again, IMHO) it would better serve the community if these decisions were made by the community instead of the whims of management (maybe forming a consumer board where these decisions could be vetted????). It would also better serve everyone if these changes were Optional and not integrated, perhaps as Plug-ins or extensions. Core browsing is what a browser is; anything else is [Caps are not allowed] and if a user wants it, they themselves could choose to install it. Please stop adding superfluous non-core-browser functionality and do optimize your javascript and other engines to the fastest it could be; also updating integrated technologies to the latest standards would be a boon to you as well. I think being the king of web functionality and of speed is better serving the community and yourselves then adding all this ridiculous stuff.
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treego last edited by
@chewy said in Opera 69 comes with built-in Twitter:
Please - No More Bloat. Please provide a way to Uninstall and completely Remove (by deleting all files, reg keys, etc.) twitter and "weather" integration. IMHO - It's not wanted / needed. I believe (again, IMHO) it would better serve the community if these decisions were made by the community instead of the whims of management (maybe forming a consumer board where these decisions could be vetted????). It would also better serve everyone if these changes were Optional and not integrated, perhaps as Plug-ins or extensions. Core browsing is what a browser is; anything else is [Caps are not allowed] and if a user wants it, they themselves could choose to install it. Please stop adding superfluous non-core-browser functionality and do optimize your javascript and other engines to the fastest it could be; also updating integrated technologies to the latest standards would be a boon to you as well. I think being the king of web functionality and of speed is better serving the community and yourselves then adding all this ridiculous stuff.
I love the Weather and Twitter additions. I see no performance hit at all! Twitter only uses resources if one uses it in the sidebar. I love what Opera is doing!
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treego last edited by
@treego said in Opera 69 comes with built-in Twitter:
@QuintenDeClerck said in Opera 69 comes with built-in Twitter:
Flow is broken
I am afraid you are right. It does not seem to be working for me, either. (Windows 7, 32-bit)
It seems Opera got it working later in the day ....
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chewy last edited by
@treego I'm happy that you love these editions. If you read my comments and believed I said they were pulling down the performance of the browser, then let me clarify:
The more you add to the core browser, the more you have system resources being impacted. Could we not have a happy medium and allow for the choice to install or not? Would that not make everyone happy? I believe (again, my own opinion) that constantly adding functionality to the "core" of the browser dilutes the performance of the core and are unnecessary to browse the internet (the purpose of a browser). Why not have these extra things as a choice to install, rather than a forced requirement?
Also, there is a matter of personally identifiable information or PII: has Opera disclosed EXACTLY what data is being shared with this extra "weather" and function? Is it open-source and peer-reviewed or is it proprietary to Opera? What metrics and data is this function collecting? If I "turn it off", is it still functioning in the background of the core browser? I would much rather install my own weather tool than have an unvetted, unknown "weather" function that transmits/receives data that is NOT disclosed.
I'd say, if Opera wants to incorporate this kind of thing, MAKE IT OPTIONAL, NOT MANDATORY. In this way, everyone is happy; you service the ENTIRE community and not just the people that like their updates while alienating those that hate these surprises and are concerned of leaking my private information to Opera and/or their entities.
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treego last edited by
@chewy said in Opera 69 comes with built-in Twitter:
@treego I'm happy that you love these editions. If you read my comments and believed I said they were pulling down the performance of the browser, then let me clarify:
The more you add to the core browser, the more you have system resources being impacted. Could we not have a happy medium and allow for the choice to install or not? Would that not make everyone happy? I believe (again, my own opinion) that constantly adding functionality to the "core" of the browser dilutes the performance of the core and are unnecessary to browse the internet (the purpose of a browser). Why not have these extra things as a choice to install, rather than a forced requirement?
Also, there is a matter of personally identifiable information or PII: has Opera disclosed EXACTLY what data is being shared with this extra "weather" and function? Is it open-source and peer-reviewed or is it proprietary to Opera? What metrics and data is this function collecting? If I "turn it off", is it still functioning in the background of the core browser? I would much rather install my own weather tool than have an unvetted, unknown "weather" function that transmits/receives data that is NOT disclosed.
I'd say, if Opera wants to incorporate this kind of thing, MAKE IT OPTIONAL, NOT MANDATORY. In this way, everyone is happy; you service the ENTIRE community and not just the people that like their updates while alienating those that hate these surprises and are concerned of leaking my private information to Opera and/or their entities.
Hey Opera, any thoughts on this?Well, again ... I don't see an optional Twitter sidebar which releases memory when closed if it is being used nor a tiny little Weather icon reporting the local temperature as being resource hogs. If you have information that tells otherwise, let us all know.
For your other concern about privacy and such, either you trust Opera or you don't. I trust Opera a bit more for some functionality than some random extension on the Google Chrome web store.
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chewy last edited by
@treego Again, allow me to clarify my point on extensions with no disrespect:
Your perceptions of negligible system impact may or may not be accurate and I won't debate you on that. I don't know what impact these extra's have, given that there are literally an incalculable combination of different PC configurations out there. That was NOT my point; my point is that they are EXTRA's and not needed to make the browser a browser.
Why not make Opera's weather and twitter functions an Opera branded extension? If you trust Opera, then this should NOT be a problem, right? Or better yet, an option during installation/update, and if you choose NO, then have the ability to install the extension from Opera's own selection of extensions; wouldn't THAT make everyone happy?
BTW: I wouldn't recommend installing some "random extension" from the Chrome store.
In terms of "privacy and such", this was my attempt to foster an understanding of my viewpoint and I stand by my points.
PII is important to consider whether to adopt/keep a browser, app or whatever you choose to use.
PII is a big concern (granted, for me but maybe others) and forcing these types of updates without the proper peer review and the lack of disclosure of data collection practices is EXACTLY why I left Chrome.
I posit to you this: What if Opera one day decided to incorporate a bitcoin data mining "function", without letting you know after you got the latest update? Would this concern you? The impact on you system could be negligible, so what's the harm, right? Would you like to know what information is being transmitted? How about knowing how to fully disable and uninstall such functionality? How much trust would you then have with Opera? To me, there is NO DIFFERENCE in ideal or outcome. Granted, this example is a whole different animal, but I do hope my point is made.
In terms of trust, I can only say this: I trust Opera until they break my trust. I'll choose to trust Opera, but I also choose to verify what Opera does.
BTW: Thank you for your viewpoints too, as they do matter!
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treego last edited by
@chewy said in Opera 69 comes with built-in Twitter:
@treego Again, allow me to clarify my point on extensions with no disrespect:
Your perceptions of negligible system impact may or may not be accurate and I won't debate you on that. I don't know what impact these extra's have, given that there are literally an incalculable combination of different PC configurations out there. That was NOT my point; my point is that they are EXTRA's and not needed to make the browser a browser.
Why not make Opera's weather and twitter functions an Opera branded extension? If you trust Opera, then this should NOT be a problem, right? Or better yet, an option during installation/update, and if you choose NO, then have the ability to install the extension from Opera's own selection of extensions; wouldn't THAT make everyone happy?
BTW: I wouldn't recommend installing some "random extension" from the Chrome store.
In terms of "privacy and such", this was my attempt to foster an understanding of my viewpoint and I stand by my points.
PII is important to consider whether to adopt/keep a browser, app or whatever you choose to use.
PII is a big concern (granted, for me but maybe others) and forcing these types of updates without the proper peer review and the lack of disclosure of data collection practices is EXACTLY why I left Chrome.
I posit to you this: What if Opera one day decided to incorporate a bitcoin data mining "function", without letting you know after you got the latest update? Would this concern you? The impact on you system could be negligible, so what's the harm, right? Would you like to know what information is being transmitted? How about knowing how to fully disable and uninstall such functionality? How much trust would you then have with Opera? To me, there is NO DIFFERENCE in ideal or outcome. Granted, this example is a whole different animal, but I do hope my point is made.
In terms of trust, I can only say this: I trust Opera until they break my trust. I'll choose to trust Opera, but I also choose to verify what Opera does.
BTW: Thank you for your viewpoints too, as they do matter!
Well said!
I do like those little extras like the Twitter sidebar and Weather on the Start Page, though! It is elegantly done, in my opinion.
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@plovec said in Opera 69 comes with built-in Twitter:
But if you go in the Details button, the option to unhide the extension is not present
As far as I remember, this option was removed in 69.0.3660.0.
DNA-85052 Hide on toolbar extension option should be removed from opera:extensions -
ext last edited by ext
To the developer of Opera:
Why does the login box have a black bold outline in Opera 69? The previous Opera displayed a light bold login field.
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plovec last edited by
@johnd78 I didn't install the beta version.
If they decide to remove an option they must ignore it in the upgrade process, because you cannot un-hide the hidden extensions in the new version. -
burnout426 Volunteer last edited by
@ext Due to style updates in Chromium provided by Microsoft. Disabling
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spike666 last edited byI have lost the ability to see some videos with 69. When this happens the video box goes blank. A good example is this page - https://www.independent.co.uk/extras/weather/uk-weather-forecast-news-latest-hottest-day-of-the-year-a9584561.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&#Echobox=1593072846 The top is just a black box.
I have tried turning on and off hardware acceleration, no change.
This appear to be new with Opera 69. Nothing else has changed, added/deleted since updating Opera.
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A Former User last edited by
@plovec I agree that there is a problem. This can be fixed by editing the preferences file, but the average user should not worry about it.
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plovec last edited by
@johnd78 Yes, I manually modified the preferences files, but this is not something a user should do.
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