New commenting mechanism on Opera blogs

[A Former User]

A Former User @amatczak last edited by A Former User

@amatczak, no problem with the disqus-account, d. is a chatterbox anyway, so it doesn't matter. pure info question.

Blog seems a bit more accessible than the forum, at least so far.
Disadvantage now: the comment function (layout options) in the blog is now somewhat badly solved. Therefore less readable than before.
here, too, a "vivaldi-orientation" could be worthwhile:
The link blog-forum exists, the comment function in the blog is still well solved (colors, text highlighting, tree view, screenshot, etc.). This would make it a bit easier to read.

[amatczak]

amatczak Opera @Guest last edited by amatczak

@aphaltgrau: Of course, we will continue to work on improving the user experience. Tree-like view is already in our backlog, and was there even before this initial release. Cannot make any promises regarding dates, though

[andrew84]

andrew84 last edited by andrew84

Tree view, text editing tools before posting, notifications when somebody replies to your comment (red circle in front of user name, maybe upvoting too), screenshots attachments, longer period for post editing, increase text size. Return these things in the blog's comments.

[A Former User]

A Former User @amatczak last edited by A Former User

@amatczak, ok. no dates - how awful...
(& andrew84 lists what is missing)

[andrew84]

andrew84 last edited by

And regarding the forum, I can't find a way to edit my profile: I can't change password or email for example.

[leocg]

leocg Moderator Volunteer @andrew84 last edited by

@andrew84 You can change your password and email at https://auth.opera.com/account/edit-profile

[amatczak]

amatczak Opera @andrew84 last edited by

@andrew84 You can change both email and password on Opera Auth page. Forums is not storing any passwords.

[andrew84]

andrew84 @leocg last edited by

@leocg: thanks, I thought that Opera forum and Opera auth are two parts of the same community with the same credentials. So if I delete Opera account on the auth page, it will be also deleted on forum too (in both places there's 'delete' account/profile button)?

[amatczak]

amatczak Opera @andrew84 last edited by

@andrew84: You can either delete both (in which case your Forums account will also be deleted) or delete just the Forums and leave your Opera Auth account intact.

[A Former User]

A Former User @andrew84 last edited by A Former User

Yes, the separation from edit (profil-)settings of forum and account is confusing, not really recognizable, badly done overall.
If logged in, one can see the settings button above right. And it clearly suggests that you can edit mail and password there. But that's not possible. You have to change to the account for that. But what you have to know again, because there is nothing recognizable, corresponding buttons, which would help further, are missing.
Opera, this is very much in need of revision! This all(!) can be designed much better!

And: please add design & editing options to the blog comments. In the present form this is a bit crap (sorry)! boring, unnecessarily hard to read.

[burnout426]

burnout426 Volunteer last edited by

Would be cool if email notifications for a thread made use of in-reply-to and reference headers etc. so that the messages were grouped together as a thread in my email client (Thunderbird).

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Mail.thread_without_re

I can turn off strict threading to group by subject, but since comment subject don't start with "re:", that doesn't work. Turning on thread_without_re seems to help though, but I'd rather keep Thunderbird at the defaults of strict threading.

This is/was a wish for regular threads on the forum too. It's just with blog posts being such high volume, it's seems more necessary now. But, probably something NodeBB has to support.

[amatczak]

amatczak Opera @burnout426 last edited by

@burnout426 Yes, I definitely see how this would be useful!

I did a quick check and while it seems possible, it would not be an quick and easy task. Email notifications are sent separately to each subscriber. This means that everyone gets a separate MessageId for his/her email notification. Forums software would have to somehow remember each sent MessageId for each topic and each user, and look that info up when sending out the notifications to include appropriate headers you have mentioned.

And yes, it would have to be implemented in NodeBB core since it would deeply modify how notifications are sent. I would suggest opening a feature request at https://github.com/NodeBB/NodeBB/issues and see what is the NodeBB's team take on this.

[amatczak]

amatczak Opera @Guest last edited by amatczak

@tullyn Hi, how would you propose to change the design to solve your confusion about Forums account vs Opera account?

As for formatting you can still use Markdown and emoijs when writing comments through embedded thread on Blogs page. What is missing is some sort of WYSIWIG composer like present when writing on forums.opera.com.
While we know this solution is not ideal, adding a full-fledged WYSIWIG composer that can be embedded on Blogs is not a trivial task. Vivaldi, mentioned here several times, does not have this feature either.

If you need to attach a screenshot/image you can definitely do this by writing directly through forums.opera.com and the image will get rendered in the thread on Blogs. Again, same situation as with Vivaldi.

From what I see, the only really valuable thing that we lack, when compared to Vivaldi solution, is the tree-like presentation style for comments. There are some drawbacks (e.g. Vivaldi loads the entire comments thread at once instead of paginating it to optimize page load speed) but I can promise that this is actually something we think about solving.

[andrew84]

andrew84 last edited by andrew84

If you're forcing us to use forum to post comments, I can't understand what will be the purpose of the renewed blog?
If I don't mistake, feedback from Opera team regarding bugs was much more noticeable in the blog instead of forum, including replies to suggestions (that's why I don't use forum). I don't remember for example replies in forum's 'Suggestions' topic from Opera team. If now all the attention will be focused on forum, what previously prevented Opera to be more active in their own forum instead of Disqus? It's just my opinion but I think if the blog (with Disqus system) was more popular than forum, then forum needs improvements or blog's new comments system should be even better than the Disqus (similar but Opera's own better system). Now I see the following situation when I'm forced to choose commenting system between bad (forum) and very bad (new system) for comments in the blog.

[leocg]

leocg Moderator Volunteer @andrew84 last edited by

@andrew84 Replies from Opera employees will now be visible both in the blog and in the forums, so they don't need to choose where they will post their answers.

It will also be more easy to point to those comments when replying to someone.

[frenzie]

frenzie @andrew84 last edited by

@andrew84 said in New commenting mechanism on Opera blogs:

If now all the attention will be focused on forum, what previously prevented Opera to be more active in their own forum instead of Disqus?

That'd have been a duplicate effort.

@andrew84 said in New commenting mechanism on Opera blogs:

Now I see the following situation when I'm forced to choose commenting system between bad (forum) and very bad (new system) for comments in the blog.

This is the first time in years that I've posted a comment on a blog post. I'll leave the rest implied.

Okay, just one teeny tiny thing, unrelated to my thoughts on how Disqus is designed. Half the time Disqus doesn't even load. But of course just when I'm trying to get a screenshot of Disqus saying that "Disqus seems to be taking longer than usual" it's consistently loading in a split second… weird.

[andrew84]

andrew84 @frenzie last edited by

@frenzie It seems that to read/post comments like previously I will have to use 2 systems at the same time: use forum to pre-format the post and attach screenshots, and read replies/comments in the form of 'tree' (it will appear I hope someday) in the blog . If I want to edit post (my English is not perfect) or to add some details I must to hurry (during 30 mins) and open forum again and edit post there. Of course, I'm not going to comment like previously using the scheme above.

[leocg]

leocg Moderator Volunteer @andrew84 last edited by

@andrew84 You should be able to use Markdown syntax to format your posts.

[A Former User]

A Former User @amatczak last edited by A Former User

@tullyn Hi, how would you propose to change the design to solve your confusion about Forums account vs Opera account? ...

e.g. separate forum & account visually & textually to make it clear and recognizable. What it is not now. A switch button between both would already be a step forward. And it's not my confusion, by the way. cause I know partly enough. But others, see above, just not. Which is due to the bad design. Not thought through well enough.

You're squirming around because it seems a bit, that the forum, which has been out of the way so far, has to be upgraded by force. Something like that will go wrong.
You don't need a comprehensive text composer to increase the readability of the blog. It's more the little things that are missing.
But if I have to go the detour via forum to attach screens or other pictures, then it becomes - sorry - a bit silly. So add the necessary changes to the blog in a meaningful way, then that fits. Everything else will go wrong.

[frenzie]

frenzie last edited by

Here we go, yesterday was an anomaly. These new forum-based comments here aren't as good as My Opera used to be (e.g., they require JS) but at least they work.