Tips and tricks to keep opera 12.xx relavent?
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fungi-lives last edited by
leushino: Truth is I was hoping this post would fly under your radar. Nothing you say has any value to me. Of course you are so caught up in your own little paradigm that you can't begin to understand someone else's viewpoint.
Had you read and understood my post you would have noticed that I did in fact try Opera 20 and since I am an actual living, breathing human being, I'm entitled to my own preferences and don't have to be guided by your point of view.
Thank you very much.
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alreadybanned last edited by
Sticking with Opera even though it's become a Chrome clone of sorts would be loyalty. Sticking with v12.xx is a case of holding on to functionality. You trolling those who don't like the new direction is zealotry which, if you don't have a vested interest in the company, would be a form of misplaced loyalty
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Deleted User last edited by
Sticking with Opera even though it's become a Chrome clone of sorts would be loyalty. Sticking with v12.xx is a case of holding on to functionality. You trolling those who don't like the new direction is zealotry which, if you don't have a vested interest in the company, would be a form of misplaced loyalty
So you're holding on to functionality with a browser that is becoming slower by the day, increasingly incompatible with websites and will ultimately put your security at risk? Uh... that's not a very prudent way to go.
I use Opera 20 because it does EXACTLY what I want and need. I wouldn't call that loyalty so much as expedience. It works so I use it. Simple.
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alreadybanned last edited by
Sticking with Opera even though it's become a Chrome clone of sorts would be loyalty. Sticking with v12.xx is a case of holding on to functionality. You trolling those who don't like the new direction is zealotry which, if you don't have a vested interest in the company, would be a form of misplaced loyalty
So you're holding on to functionality with a browser that is becoming slower by the day, increasingly incompatible with websites and will ultimately put your security at risk? Uh... that's not a very prudent way to go.
I use Opera 20 because it does EXACTLY what I want and need. I wouldn't call that loyalty so much as expedience. It works so I use it. Simple.No, I've already said I use Firefox now but I can understand why people have yet to move on, it's quite clear really. Opera 20 doesn't work for them. Simple
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jito463 last edited by
bangorme
Opera 12 (which I run on my Linux boxes) is like Windows NT... is obsolete and unmaintained. It gets more so every day.
Unmaintained? Yes. Obsolete? Not so much. Can you tell me what web standards are not supported by Opera 12?
leushino
So you're holding on to functionality with a browser that is becoming slower by the day
How exactly is the browser getting "slower"? It's not like a physical component that wears down over time, it's software. Your posts are becoming exceedingly more incoherent, the more you try to push people to abandon PrOpera for ChrOpera.
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colderwinters last edited by
Theres no way to keep Opera 12.xx relevent, it's time has come and passed, I moved on although I do have Opera 20.whatever installed, I dont surf with it, I'll just wait patiently for the improvements to come, if they ever do, I'm aware of how great some people think Opera 20.whatever is, dont preach it to me, I hear it evertime someone responds to my posts, but to surf with an old outdated opera just out of loyalty doesnt make much sense, other browsers do just as much as the old Opera. Opera 12.xx is not relevent anymore, it's been abandoned and it's past tense, Get used to it.
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jito463 last edited by
but to surf with an old outdated opera just out of loyalty doesnt (sic) make much sense
I don't do it out of loyalty, I do it because it handles everything I need it to, and has the functionality I desire. I'm quite certain that's why others use it, too.other browsers do just as much as the old Opera.
Care to point out some? Perhaps you haven't noticed the plethora of people trying to find a decent alternative to Opera, because Opera was unique. It did things most other browsers didn't, and a number of things the other browsers did like Opera were actually copied from Opera. Not all, obviously, I'm not trying to claim Opera was the first to do everything; but they were certainly innovators in the earlier days, and it influenced a lot of other browsers development.Opera 12.xx is not relevent (sic) anymore, it's been abandoned and it's past tense, Get used to it.
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colderwinters last edited by
I never made a list of everything a browser does, I can find out pretty quickly upon trying out a browser if it fits my needs or not, aside from Mail, I never used Opera mail, never needed it and aside from able to customize Opera greatly on the way it looks is not a biggee for me, but my Browser of choice now does everything I was able to do on Opera,It even looks just like I had the Old Opera to look, from the menu items to how the buttons look, I never made a list of everything the old Opera did, I dont even have it installed anymore, it would be easier if you tell me specifically what the old Opera does that most other browsers dont, I have the menu items, pretty much the same bookmarks system I had in the old opera, the tabs open the way i want them to, and I have greater security now. No reason I shouldnt be a happy camper.
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jito463 last edited by
I'm glad to hear you're happy, but your post was effectively stating that everyone should abandon Opera because other browsers do everything it does. That's not true. Another browser does everything you need it to do, and that's fine; but there's no browser that will fit everyone's needs. Presto-based Opera just does some things that other browsers do not, or only do some, but not enough of.
You might find a few features in one browser similar to Opera, but not others, while another browser may fulfill the need for other features, but not the ones the previous browser does. I have yet to find a single browser that matches all the functionality I have in Opera without making a ton of modifications, and even then not necessarily everything.
All I'm trying to say, is making a flat-out statement that "other browsers do just as much as the old Opera" isn't entirely true. Not to the extent that some of us need them to.
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A Former User last edited by
One of the fundamental things about Presto Opera was that it was extremely customisable.
All the menus, toolbars, buttons etc. could be changed to be exactly as the user wanted them.
That functionality does not exist, and probably never will exist, in any other browser, including the new versions of Opera.
That's very sad for people like me who used that functionality a lot, but it has to be accepted that only a small proportion of users actually wanted to do that, so I'm afraid it will not return.
Make the most of Presto Opera and use it for as long as is practicable I say, as you will not see its like ever again!
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blackbird71 last edited byNo two people will use a browser in the exact same way unless the browser has zero adjustments, settings, or accessories. People are different; their browsing needs and desires are different, And other users have no legitimate way (or business) telling another user whether their stated 'need' is instead merely a 'desire'. This entire year-long debate over Blink Opera has been fraught with both sides telling the other what a browser "ought" to be. That debate will never be resolved, just as different people will never be the same nor see things exactly the same way.
If a browser, Opera 12.14 for example, adequately meets the needs of one user for the next five years, so be it. If it fails miserably in the next two weeks for some other user, that's OK too. Their needs will vary, as will the solution paths they take. Personally, I sometimes use one ancient browser dating from ~1998 for certain forms of browsing in harm's way simply because it is so old, its name so obscure, and it's so lacking in modern scripting and functionality that it can't be exploited harmfully, in all practicality. While it barely renders some modern sites, it serves the purposes for which I use it. Presto Opera serves other purposes for me, and will continue to do so for years to come, no matter what. Beyond that, I trial various new browser versions of different brands, with FF currently being my preferred primary browser, largely because I can configure it to nearly replicate Presto Opera in those various key areas that are important to me and how I work.
But if the past 15 months have taught me one thing, it's been that free web browsers are transient things. No matter who makes them nor how effective a tool they may be, nothing about them is guaranteed for tomorrow. Presto Opera had a rare, remarkably long run, with users that became highly adapted to its numerous evolving features and "feel" over the years... but those days are over, full stop. That is reality, and it cannot be changed. What matters now is how best for users to go forward. Some will hang on to Presto Opera as long as it has life and breath for their needs... and that's OK. Others will find its growing incompatibilities too frequent to tolerate, and will look elsewhere - Blink Opera or other brands, and that's OK too. But at root, users need to accept that no browser maker, Opera or Mozilla or Microsoft or Google or whomever, owes them anything in terms of how a free browser operates or is designed. Users have to continually be willing to find their own way as they go along. That's simply how it is.
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Deleted User last edited by
Presto Opera had a rare, remarkably long run, with users that became highly adapted to its numerous evolving features and "feel" over the years... but those days are over, full stop. That is reality, and it cannot be changed. What matters now is how best for users to go forward. Some will hang on to Presto Opera as long as it has life and breath for their needs... and that's OK. Others will find its growing incompatibilities too frequent to tolerate, and will look elsewhere - Blink Opera or other brands, and that's OK too. But at root, users need to accept that no browser maker, Opera or Mozilla or Microsoft or Google or whomever, owes them anything in terms of how a free browser operates or is designed.
Presto is over... full stop. We need to move forward and that may include using Presto BUT it does not mean complaining against Opera... full stop. Opera does not owe us anything nor do we have the right to demand it build their browser according to our specifications.
Good summary of the situation. Of course it will be dutifully ignored but that's to be expected. I wonder if 15 months from now this message will have finally sunk in?
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Deleted User last edited by
Opera Presto is dead, it will become more and more insecure and incompatible, you should choose a browser that it is receiving updates.
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lem729 last edited by
Is it really dead. I thought Opera was giving Opera 12.16 security updates. Am I wrong there? I looked on the Opera site, and couldn't find where the 12.16 browser could be downloaded. I thought it was still a download from Opera.
Now let's look at Windows XP. One week before Microsoft cut off all support: "The shocking number is how many still rely upon Windows XP only a week before the cutoff. 18.6 percent, making Windows XP the number 2 operating system, with number 3, MacOSx, being far behind with 8.6 percent." http://it.tmcnet.com/topics/it/articles/2014/04/03/375139-courageous-computer-users-still-using-windows-xp-with.htm
Windows 7 was the No. 1 Operating system on 54.7 percent of devices worldwide. Still, the Windows XP figure is amazing..
So people do hang in there with what they like.
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leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by
I thought Opera was giving Opera 12.16 security updates. Am I wrong there?
Opera 12.16 will only get updates if a very serious security issue is found. However, depending on the timming and situation, Opera may just tell the users to upgrade to the latest version.
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Deleted User last edited by
I doubt any security patches will be provided at this late date. Like Windows XP it's time to upgrade or be very circumspect about your online habits.
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Deleted User last edited by
if you want to use Windows XP, you have to download from some site because you won't find it in a virtual or real store.
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A Former User last edited by
Like any other Windows software, Opera 12 or earlier versions will continue to run for years, at least until Windows 7 goes the way of Windows XP. All this talk of it being dead is nonsense.
Eventually, there may be more sites that it cannot cope with, but then I will still use Open With as I do now when I come across a broken site.
Until Opera for Blink gets the features that I need to customise shortcuts, gestures, menus, at least, and hopefully toolbars too, I am quite happy to continue using Opera 12.16 or 11.64.
Last July I said, "Give it a year," and it's already over 9 months since Opera 15 was released (2013-07-02), but it's still nowhere near what I need. The Bookmarks are good enough as they were by last August. What else has improved?
The bottom line is that you need do nothing to keep Opera 12.16 relevant. It will remain relevant as long as it works on your OS, whether that be Windows XP, 7, or 8, or Linux or Mac.
The real question is, “What can be done to make Opera Next relevant?”
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Deleted User last edited by
The final die hasn't been cast about Opera "Presto"'s future, at all. In life, we often abandon things we think for good, but often we change and at some point start looking back.
Today is not the time for these developers to look back. And they regret what they've done, so they don't want you to remind them of their decision. Therefore, they will say "that's over and done with, please only look at the present, please".
The measure of how strongly they do not want you to talk about Opera Classic, is the measure of how much they regret its demise.
And I can tell them that the die has been thrown, but it will still take several years to land.
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Currently I still use 12.14 for everything except YouTube and sometimes Facebook.
But I was reminded of the changes when 12.14 failed to preserve whitelines in some forum post, while 20.0 had no problem with it. On some Microsoft site.
Yet, I am willing to "suffer" these "indignities" for as long as needed. This is not out of loyalty, but merely out of comfort. Like some people don't want to throw away their old jeans because they wear so pleasantly. Opera 12 does what I want it to do, the only thing that's broken is the rendering engine.
I can even use it to troubleshoot webpage loading issues! My God, it even provides timing statistics for every element that is being fetched and loaded from some website or remote location. I never used that feature before because the interface is rather threatening, but... hey, it's a power tool. A power house.
And I love it to bits! ;-). Haha.
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I could never have imagined that the exact same(?) profiling/diagnostics functionality is actually preserved in Opera Next. "Inspect element" is actually been migrated to the new Opera. Amazing. That's Opera's most advanced feature, by far!!
