OLD IS GOLD, we want new opera with all old stuff

[vedicaudio]

vedicaudio last edited by

@stng: What's better about 12.14? I was doing great with 12.16 on a Win Vista, but when I got a Win8 x64 machine, I installed 12.16 x64, and started having lots of crashes. I've tried 12.15 and 12.16 both 32 and 64 bit, and still lots of crashes. 12.15 seems slightly more stable, but it could just be my imagination. Some days it runs fine, other days lots of crashes. It's gotten to the point that I'm considering downgrading to Win7 or even Vista on my new computer since Opera is such a critical piece of software, but I don't know if that will help.

Is anyone else having big stability issues with Opera 12.xx since last year or since switching to Win8?

[blackbird71]

blackbird71 last edited by

12.15 and 12.16 are identical versions (12.16 was a re-issued 12.15 after Opera's server was hacked while 12.15 was available for download). Some users find 12.15/16 to be less stable and more problematic than 12.14; also, 64-bit Opera has been more problematic than 32-bit for the 12.xx family. Consequently, 12.15/16 64-bit Opera is probably the least stable of the 12.1x bunch. For my usage, I've found 12.14 to be quite stable and effective; in cases where all 12.xx versions are problematic for whatever reason(s), the next-lower stable version giving users good results would be 11.64.

[stng]

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@vedicaudio
12.15/12.16 has broken web-sites compatibility. The most problematic version is Opera 12.16 x64 for Windows.

Details: https://forums.opera.com/topic/550/prweb-crashes-opera

[Deleted User]

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@niransha

You want old Opera 12 bugs in new Opera? OMG. No!
Its hard enough to report bugs, which may be fixed in months, years or never (thats true!) for current painmaker Opera 20.

Opera 20 is ugly, has nasty bugs preventing me from using on website with logins (bad passwort manager, non-working password fill on webpages with Auth Basic). Bad debugging of Websites with WebInspector, and so on...

Stay with Opera 12 as long as you can.

[albatros48]

albatros48 last edited by

@niransha
You want old Opera 12 bugs in new Opera? OMG. No!
Its hard enough to report bugs, which may be fixed in months, years or never (thats true!) for current painmaker Opera 20.
Opera 20 is ugly, has nasty bugs preventing me from using on website with logins (bad passwort manager, non-working password fill on webpages with Auth Basic). Bad debugging of Websites with WebInspector, and so on...
Stay with Opera 12 as long as you can.

I find it not that bad.:-)

Why not using the LastPass-Extension??? It works fine and reliable.

[Deleted User]

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@albatros48

Why not using the LastPass-Extension??? It works fine and reliable.

Because i need a account at LastPass' servers.
Because i dont want to host my passwords on external servers from US companies with weak data security and privacy.
Because i dont want to pay yearly for "extra" functionality to Lastpass.

And ... (may be you laught at me) because a broeser's password manager has to work!

[albatros48]

albatros48 last edited by

@albatros48

Why not using the LastPass-Extension??? It works fine and reliable.

Because i need a account at LastPass' servers.
Right, but where is here the problem?
Because i dont want to host my passwords on external servers from US companies with weak data security and privacy.
I totally agree with you! That's my concern also, but I didn't find any better. Even KeePass was not satisfying for me.
Because i dont want to pay yearly for "extra" functionality to Lastpass.
It's free! I didn't pay anything for, as I didn't need the Premium-Function.
And ... (may be you laught at me) because a broeser's password manager has to work!
Well, I use ist now since years and it never failed.:-)

[Deleted User]

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Lastpass a few years ago had one (and only one) incursion in which one of their servers "appeared" compromised which it turned out that it was not. In its years of operation there has never been a loss of passwords which is something most sites cannot lay claim to. As far as I'm concerned, LP is perfectly safe (about as safe as anything stored on one's own PC) and I have no qualms about using its services.

[albatros48]

albatros48 last edited by

Lastpass a few years ago had one (and only one) incursion in which one of their servers "appeared" compromised which it turned out that it was not. In its years of operation there has never been a loss of passwords which is something most sites cannot lay claim to. As far as I'm concerned, LP is perfectly safe (about as safe as anything stored on one's own PC) and I have no qualms about using its services.

Well, there is one point, which bothers me: I live in Germany and according to the experience with US-Procedures (NSA, outspying of data etc.). it makes me a headache, as the LastPass-Servers are certainly in the USA and I do not trust their security.
But, according to my findings there is currently no better password control system im place and therefore I will have to live with.

[Deleted User]

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I'm hopeful that the revelations regarding the NSA have raised alarms and that any future attempts at spying will be far more difficult. It wouldn't surprise me if the same sort of thing occurs in other countries which have yet to be discovered but that's anyone's guess. I seriously doubt the NSA would be concerned about passwords anyway. In all probability key trigger words would be caught on their radar but again... who can say? The most important sites (banking and purchasing sites) are in my memory and not on any server or machine. As for what I do store on LP's servers, they're simply passwords of little consequence and don't concern me in the least.

[A Former User]

A Former User last edited by

I'm guessing the main complaints about new Opera are with the lack of features because Opera themselves have said they needed to switch to a new engine as the old one was far too time consuming to maintain and hindered any innovation - that and the major rendering issues. The fact that it uses the same engine as Chrome means there's a strong likelihood that major companies sites will be compatible. Opera simply would not be here now if they hadn't made the change. I'm confident the front end will grow in a completely different direction to Chrome.

For me this is the first Opera in a long time I can actually use. Sites now render correctly and there are enough features to keep me happily browsing whilst patiently waiting for new ones.

[Deleted User]

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I completely agree with you, cozza. Nice to read a positive and factual post relating to the new browser. I'm hopeful new features will continue to attract a broader user base.

[meridivs]

meridivs last edited by

Finally a really useful and informative comment in a long time... not.

Wonder what part of that recent 1.23% from 3% user base is so hard to grasp.

Soon you will be the only guys talking, to themselves, around here but that's not a problem since you like it so much.

Au revoir!

[blackbird71]

blackbird71 last edited by

Lastpass a few years ago had one (and only one) incursion in which one of their servers "appeared" compromised which it turned out that it was not. In its years of operation there has never been a loss of passwords which is something most sites cannot lay claim to. As far as I'm concerned, LP is perfectly safe (about as safe as anything stored on one's own PC) and I have no qualms about using its services.

Well, there is one point, which bothers me: I live in Germany and according to the experience with US-Procedures (NSA, outspying of data etc.). it makes me a headache, as the LastPass-Servers are certainly in the USA and I do not trust their security.
But, according to my findings there is currently no better password control system im place and therefore I will have to live with.

Life can be full of tough choices. One of them is how to keep secret things... uhmm... secret. Each time a secret "thing" is passed to someone else, it drags in an entire galaxy of potential problems. To name just a few:

• how trustworthy is the new custodian
• how trusworthy is the method of transferring a copy of the "thing" to him and retrieving it later
• how trustworthy are his storage methods
• how trustworthy are his internal handling mechanisms and personnel
• how trustworthy will all of it be tomorrow (if he sells his organization or comes under new local legal/political constraints where he has his operations - or where he may have moved them after you entrusted him with your secrets).

Only you can decide where the "sweet spot" lies between paranoia and total insecurity, for you and what you're trying to protect (which includes not just the passwords, but the contents of whatever they're accessing). Just be aware that passwords to online accounts and such are not the only (or perhaps even greatest) concern if you're truly worried about "them" watching or snooping. Your Internet traffic patterns, the data traffic itself, and the integrity of your own computer/software are all up for grabs if an attacker is sufficiently motivated and possesses adequate resources (including quid-pro-quo agreements with other attackers).

Since your online behavior is already largely "on the grid", for most users' online passwords, there isn't that much additional risk contributed by storing them online with a reasonably secure site like LastPass. On the other hand, if there is indeed a password that you absolutely, positively cannot allow to be intercepted or betrayed, then you should never entrust it to anything associated with a publicly-accessible network like the Internet.

[lem729]

lem729 last edited by

I liked the old Opera (presto) on this password feature because your password data was kept on your computer. They had the wand feature, and it worked pretty well, and looked great.. I am concerned about a password manager in cyberspace. In the US we had that Target breach where myriads of users had credit card and other information stolen. I'm hoping that Opera 20 improves what it provides -- does more to duplicate what it had in versions of Opera Presto.. I can't believe this is a Blink versus Presto issue. If people want to use a password manager in the cloud somewhere, fine. But it would be nice if Opera offered more than it currently does for those who want their password data kept secure on their computer.

[leocg]

leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by

I liked the old Opera (presto) on this password feature because your password data was kept on your computer.

It hasn't changed, the password are still kept on the user's computer.

I can't believe this is a Blink versus Presto issue. If people want to use a password manager in the cloud somewhere, fine. But it would be nice if Opera offered more than it currently does for those who want their password data kept secure on their computer.

And what more should be offered by the password manager?

[Deleted User]

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Old is not gold (and in truth... it never was as attested to by 3% market share). Old is simply... old.It no longer renders many sites properly and is becoming increasingly questionable in terms of security. I know we have been told that security patches would be offered and nothing to the contrary has been posted since, but we also know that no development of the browser suite is forthcoming and one has to wonder when the security patches will cease. No, old is not gold.

[Deleted User]

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I'm guessing the main complaints about new Opera are with the lack of features because Opera themselves have said they needed to switch to a new engine as the old one was far too time consuming to maintain and hindered any innovation - that and the major rendering issues. The fact that it uses the same engine as Chrome means there's a strong likelihood that major companies sites will be compatible. Opera simply would not be here now if they hadn't made the change. I'm confident the front end will grow in a completely different direction to Chrome.
For me this is the first Opera in a long time I can actually use. Sites now render correctly and there are enough features to keep me happily browsing whilst patiently waiting for new ones.

Old is not gold (and in truth... it never was as attested to by 3% market share). Old is simply... old.It no longer renders many sites properly and is becoming increasingly questionable in terms of security. I know we have been told that security patches would be offered and nothing to the contrary has been posted since, but we also know that no development of the browser suite is forthcoming and one has to wonder when the security patches will cease. No, old is not gold.
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I agree with both of you. The old Opera was getting rusty, I mean is was not with the new browsing technology. If Opera ASA had continued to use Presto, it would get more and more incompatible with new technology.

[vitralizer]

vitralizer last edited by

And what exactly sets this Webkit browser apart from the rest? What makes it special? What makes it different? Because it just looks like Chromium with a couple of built-in extensions and a theme. Why even bother? And the quality of the extensions can't even compare to those on Chrome Web Store, let alone Firefox Addons. This is a huge mistake.

[vitralizer]

vitralizer last edited by

Old is not gold (and in truth... it never was as attested to by 3% market share). Old is simply... old.It no longer renders many sites properly and is becoming increasingly questionable in terms of security. I know we have been told that security patches would be offered and nothing to the contrary has been posted since, but we also know that no development of the browser suite is forthcoming and one has to wonder when the security patches will cease. No, old is not gold.

Perhaps, but to justify change, it has to be BETTER.