Posts made by quicksite

I read some threads here from 2018-2019 that said Opera didn't have that capability.

But a lot has evolved in Opera during 2020, so just wanting to know it is now possible to add another user? If not, is there a workaround?!

@redsnapper In 2020, the shift-click multi-select capability is on Opera Browser at least for Macs. I would imagine it is there now for windows as well. Both kinds of multi-select work:
(a) Shift-Click to select a contiguous sequence of bookmarks
(b) A-La-Carte Mult-Select - on Mac this is by holding down the Command key. I imagine it is the Option Key on Windows.

@leocg not trying to prolong this, but I do know that for some users, when they are researching a topic, this is common, they get 20 30 40 tabs open... So the intent in this case is to save all 40 and sync them to my desktop where I can open them all there..

@leocg I did see that after I posted, sorry about that. I saw under advanced search that you can specify which categories to search through, and whether or not to include child folders. What would you recommend as a good way to access that search configuration easily when I am using Opera for Android, and want to limit my search results to just Opera for Android posts? Only thing I can think of off the top of my head is to bookmark that advanced search parameter ?

It wasn't clear to me whether that advanced search configuration would be persistent across all future settings ... In which case I would just swipe open that left menu and tap search.. ?

@leocg ahh, thx very much.
What would be your workaround approach? Manually save each tab separately to my flow? Or or is there a way to save a history session or Sync it to my opera account?

I keep finding out how to do this on Opera for web browser, but there is no right click on a tab in Opera for Android. And long pressing on a tab doesn't reveal any menu item to save to speed dial folder.

I have about 40 tabs open, I want to get them on to my desktop computer, I don't want to have to open each tab individually and click on send to my flow. Can someone tell me the solution to this issue specifically on Opera for android? Thanks

I usually use Opera web browser for Forum searching. But I'm on my Android phone right now, I'm at the right category, and I was looking for search somewhere at the top of the page or bottom of the page, so I could find relevant posts without having to write a new topic. What am I missing?

@leocg OK thank you... I found an earlier thread on this issue from 2019 and quite a lot of agreement to change that color or give several alt-options. I read your comment that "this is the color the designers chose".

So no options in flags to modify? I presume not,

Everyone's tastes are different, but I find that maroon or wine color repellant and bothers my eyes. I've googled & searched quite a bit trying to find an add-on that enables a color change. Or select a different theme for Private Windows.

is this one of those "live with it" items where that color selection was hard-wired into Opera for Mac, and no modification is possible?

@gremlics I so agree with you. It's an insane and utterly time-wasting interruption to workflow. If I want to rename a bookmark, i can do that later. But not once have i ever changed a name in this intrusive forced step. Sometimes I wonder if Opera has any true usability/ UX experts on staff. There are too many examples like this that tends to point to no experts, probably just UI and front end developers.

Google & Chrome can be frustrating at times, but with primary functionality, they've user tested their functions with eye tracking heat maps that show gaps in user expectations from current functional implementations. Opera clearly doesn't user-test other than probably the in-house team.

@burnout426 said in Memory/Resource Load Opera vs Chrome running extensions:

@quicksite said in Memory/Resource Load Opera vs Chrome running extensions:

Based on your explanation of additional load in using Chrome Extensions in Opera, my takeaway is that perhaps I need to re-optimize my specific criteria for when to use each of the two browsers. Does this make sense to you?

I would just figure out why Chrome is having a problem, sort it out, and use only Chrome.

I'd test a new profile in Chrome to see if the problem with Google Docs happens there too or not. If not, then you know it's probably something broken with your normal Chrome profile. You might also try disabling extensions one by one to see what one (if any) is causing the problem with Google Docs. Good docs for example should work great with Chrome. You could goto chrome://flags and reset all your flags too.

All excellent advice and thank you! I agree, it seems very unlikely that Chrome would be performing poorly with GDOCS... No shortcuts when comes to troubleshooting extensions... As for a new profile, this is where I get confused. I understand that a new profile would be for testing/ruleout with Gdocs, but what are the steps to creating a new profile, importing bookmarks and passwords etc, then making that new profile the one that is synced across devices? I can & will google this, but if you can put me into ballpark, would be great. Last month I reset Chrome and reimported bookmarks I'd prior exported to local computer. What confuses me is the relationship between my primary Google Account & email address (where I pay for Google Drive storage), and my Chrome Browser profile.

I'd just as soon create a new profile to begin anew if it will be tied to my primary Google Account and I can import bookmarks & passwords. Then I'll be even more scrutinous in one by one adding extensions, paring down to reduce ruleouts.

Last point -- I initially suspected my ISP about the connectivity problems, and after the usual modem resets, I did have them come out and the Comcast tech told me she found problems at the networking box outside of my building. But their ticketing system was not capable of notifying me when or if they corrected that. It has been my assumption (perhaps wrong) that this matter was resolved and thus ruled out. And this was a reason why when I saw no Google Docs connectivity disruptions on Opera I made the leap that "Opera was a better choice for me". Your super helpful replies on this thread are really appreciated!

@burnout426 said in Memory/Resource Load Opera vs Chrome running extensions:

you need to look at chrome://version in Chrome and opera://about in Opera to see what versions of Chromium they're using. If they're using different major versions, that can be like comparing apples to oranges. One version of Chromium might have a performance issue that's fixed in another.

Thank you, very helpful—

(1) In their current states, this is what I found by using the flags you suggested. But I'm not clear on how to tell the chromium build they're based on, can you pls clarify?

Chrome:
Google Chrome: 84.0.4147.105 (Official Build) (64-bit)
Revision a6b12dfad6663f13a7e16e9a42a6a4975374096b-refs/branch-heads/4147@{#943}
OS: macOS Version 10.13.6 (Build 17G12034)

Opera:
Version: 71.0.3770.148
Opera is up to date
System:Mac OS X 10.13.6 64-bit
Browser identification
Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_13_6) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/85.0.4183.102 Safari/537.36 OPR/71.0.3770.148

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(2) Based on your explanation of additional load in using Chrome Extensions in Opera, my takeaway is that perhaps I need to re-optimize my specific criteria for when to use each of the two browsers. Does this make sense to you?

(A) Since the biggest problems I've been having with Chrome are connectivity stability problems when using Google Docs, with no such problems when using Opera, then maybe that would be kind of a standalone use case: For Google Docs, use Opera.

(B) By far the largest group of Extensions I use are specifically for Youtube, to compensate for all of the annoyances in usability (from blocking end-title cards, to channel and topic blockers, to subscription organizers to playback speed controls & more), thus creating standalone use case #2: For Youtube, use Chrome.

(C) There are a few finicky websites where form-entry or live-video call is handled better on Opera, with problems on Chrome: For problems-on-Chrome-sites, use Opera.

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(3) The other huge factor for me that gives the nod to Chrome as my primary browser, relegating Opera as my "Exceptions" browser: is cross-device Sync:

Chrome Sync maintains Extensions across both my Mac computers. Opera Sync does not include Extensions. And because I am a heavy user of hierarchical Bookmark Folders, subfolders, etc, it is far too hard to maintain sync across 2 browsers. It just creates endless manual work.

(4) Theme Usability: Switching back to Chrome as my primary browser will also now solve the frustration I've had with Opera's severe limitations of just their own Light or Dark theme, vs Chrome's many Theme add-ons that help with readability and usability.

(5) The last factor is that I'm an Android user and there I have long used Opera vs Chrome, for too many reasons to cite here. And my hope had been that by using Opera as my Primary Desktop browser, I would gain the advantage of Syncing Desktop & Mobile Browsers. But thank you for your explanation about resources/performance. I now conclude that I have to continue with the patch-quilt use cases for which browsers to use when.

Now I Know ! Which itself is very helpful vs the constant state of trial and error and not knowing which sucks time & frustration out of life. And since I have ADHD, that is a resource drain on my brain's RAM limitations. Thanks for noting Vivaldi as "not a better choice" in the extensions performance realm.

Only last question would be: And what about Brave Browser? So many people rave about that as a "better Chromium browser", but I'm guessing based on your answers about Opera that this is just another set of tradeoffs with no overall gain.

Both are Chromium based browsers, but I am unclear if Opera is architected in a way that is less of a resource hog than Chrome, whether in having 20+ tabs open, or when using 10-30 extensions or so.

I am not a programmer so if I have asked this question imperfectly, what I am trying to find out is whether I should expect the same performance hits with Opera desktop browser as I have with Chrome when using 20-30 extensions installed, or if Opera is built differently in such a way as to be less resource intensive?

I want to know this because I have long used Chrome as my primary browser (with lots of extensions) and Opera as my secondary browser (with just 3-5 core extensions).

Certain specific websites I must use work better on Opera than Chrome. Recently though I ran into major problems with Chrome that I have not been able to thoroughly troubleshoot the actual cause/causes-- most notably connectivity interruptions when working in Google Docs. The same docs open in Opera did not experience these long lags and interruptions that would be up to 30 seconds, making use of Chrome no longer viable for me as my primary browser.

I do not know, however, if perhaps the source of my Chrome problems is the fact that I use a variety of extensions that really help my daily workflow. So I began an experiment to use Opera as my primary browser — and began to install those same extensions I was using with Chrome now with Opera.

Some things can be illusory and my initial impressions were that the same overall workload of running Opera + all those extensions was better/faster/ no lag vs the same running Chrome.

But having experienced some lag today using Opera with those extensions makes me wonder if it is actually 6 of 1, half-dozen of another, whereby regardless of which chromium browser I use, the extensions are going to weigh down the performance similarly if not equally.

Thus I am asking so I can rule in/ rule out whether generally speaking I can expect a better performance overall with Opera vs Chrome in these use cases, or if at the end of the day, they behave and perform pretty much equally when it comes to using lots of extensions?

Thank you

My illustration describes it pretty well I think. In Use Case 1 below, I'm wanting to drag a tab and change its position in the tab order of that window. In Use Case 2, I'm wanting to drag a tab from Browser Window 1 to Browser Window 2

Isn't this the way it normally works? I've had a busy day of lots of research and so I've presently got 4 Opera windows open on my Mac (spread across two monitors) each with 10-20 tabs per window. I've also got several 5 Chrome browser windows open with multiple tabs in each.

Dragging tabs between Chrome browsers works fine and as usual. But at some point today, I cannot get any tabs within Opera windows to drag and move, whether to a different spot within the same window or when trying to drag an Opera tab to another Opera window. All other functionality within the Opera windows works normal. I can open new tabs, they all load just fine. But dragging any tab at all is simply not working.

My MacPro is series 5,1 -- i am running macOS 10.13.6, processor: 2 x 2.4 Ghz Quad-Core Intel Xeon, Memory: 32 GB 1066 Mhz DDR3

Can anyone help me troubleshoot what might be happening to prevent the normal behavior? Here is my Activity Monitor right now with the MEMORY tab selected:

It doesn't appear to be a RAM issue, and Chrome, which in my experience, hogs more ram per tab instance than Opera does, is dragging and dropping tabs just fine.

I just compared and checked Opera browser on my laptop Macbook Pro running Mojave, but only 2 Opera windows open, and drag & drop tabs works fine there.

Thanks!

@diezi Thank you, I think it's best I just accept that as the case. I've been in process of trying to switch over to Opera as my primary browser, but keep running into usability problems re workflow efficiency. Maybe I must resign self to use 2 browsers -- Opera for most things (has less of performance lag than Chrome), and Chrome for searches & what not. Thank you.

@naheed Thank you Naheed. I have already tried that, installing over six different chrome extensions, one at a time. The extensions ask for microphone access, and I click allow. But then when attempting to use any of these extensions, none of them will activate the mic. Some say you need to grant Mic access, even though I can clearly see that Mic access has been granted. I've even tried to grant microphone access "always" in opera's site settings.

So far I have not been able to get any chrome voice search extension to work in Opera, so my guess is that Opera has some kind of security override that prevents that from happening. Which also explains why there are zero Opera extensions for voice search in their own library. If by chance you have gotten a specific chrome extension to work in Opera, I would love to know which one so that I can try it as well.

Thank you

Been trying various Chrome "voice search" extensions and haven't been able to find one that works. I've enabled mic access in Opera. Maybe someone knows an Opera Extension, or has successfully used a Chrome extension via Opera's "Install Chrome Extensions" ? Thanks!

@leocg How? Do you know how hard it is to find a real expert on these forums? The individual I was engaging with has rare-to-me insights on architectural aspects of Opera the browser. I asked an in-line question which I have no way of knowing but I have to believe he would have happily answered my question.

When one has to parse every thought and give it its own thread, what is the likelihood, do you imagine, of such experts going and Looking For these obscure one-off questions?

As a User Experience designer with several decades' experience, I know the answer to that question. But god forbid we soil your perfect little container boxes. You obviously won't agree, so I accept that. But I've been seeing you obstruct flow and continuity for several years now, and the net result, to me, is poor usability. Again, how was it helpful to me that you banished my question about Speed dial 2 to Siberia, when this same person I was engaged with actually had the exact answer I needed?

@burnout426 Thank you.

@leocg Do you feel like you serve the usability interests of end users with your ultra-policing of threads? You banished my legit question re speed dial 2 to Siberia, and now you're obstructing my ability to get insight on topics meaningful to me and usability of the product. Who does this serve?