Posts made by DarthGTB

@hohenheimsenberg: that explains why it was removed from Chrome Web Store and Edge Addons

@philjcrawford I moved out of Opera and now use Vivaldi as my main browser, but just would like to add that until a few years ago, before I tried Opera again (I'd been a user since before the Chromium take over, but switched a long time ago and tried again recently), I used to use Yandex as my main browser and its Linux version does support PWA and the PWA detached window can be reached both from the OS like an app and from its sidebar. You can set it to show up like the way Edge and Opera do, but you can make it fully detach as a separate window directly from the browser's sidebar. Yandex has a more stable version on Windows though. I think the Linux version is still in beta.

So yes, this is feasible in other OSs too.

I would just like to add that Yandex was born from Opera a long time ago. It's originally a fork from Chromium Opera that improved about every single trademark feature from it, including video popup, speed dial, sidebar, everything.

I moved out of it for a few reasons, including its UI started to take up too much space in the small monitor I had at work and I wanted to try Opera again. This was like a year or two before Opera's rebranding. Then came Opera's rebranding and a lot of stuff started breaking, so now I'm on Vivaldi which has its fair share of bugs, but has all the trademark Opera features + PWA support, which is probably the main reason I'm going to stick with it.

BTW, I didn't know until I moved to Vivaldi, but I think Vivaldi's team used to work for Opera in the old times, so you can see a lot of inspiration from the original Opera browser like being possible to choose where to put the tab bar and other customization options

@leocg, I moved to Vivaldi, but just to add that I could find the main thread about this through Google.

https://forums.opera.com/topic/35269/web-apps-support-for-desktop-browser-too

Just thought it would be a good idea to add this here in case more people stumble upon my post in the future

@traveltales honestly, Edge has come a long way. It works pretty well and is reliable. Only real reason I didn't switch to it is the lack of a decent Speed Dial extension. There are many extensions out there but none fit my needs, or are way too complex to operate, while Opera, Yandex and Vivaldi native solutions work best.

@lord-of-the-lost makes sense. And in a way, the extra unnecessary features also kinda reflects what the original Opera looked like. It even had a built in torrent client lol which was the one torrent client I used back then. I too feel like a browser should at least do the browsing well and have a nice and customizable interface. Everything else, down to ad and tracker blocking is extension territory. Still, the features I listed are usually better implemented natively than any extensions I could find (except for ad blocking. Extensions usually perform better). I even considered developing a speed dial myself because none in the stores felt like a good alternative for using in a more bare bones browser, but I'll give Vivaldi's take on it a go first

@saeedp, here is a list of reasons why I'm starting to move to Vivaldi today. These may not appeal to everybody, but are the features that most attracted me to it:

• I didn't know until last week that people behind Vivaldi worked at Opera in the past, so I hoped for similar features and was not disappointed
• I for one don't care it is not 100% open source
• It is actually modular like the original Opera used to be (as in, you can place tab bar, address bar, etc. wherever you want, add or remove buttons to them wherever you want. It's basically the same UI building experience from the original Opera)
• It has a more sober UI
• It has a more customizable Speed Dial (as in you can change tile size and have folders inside folders)
• It can also pop out videos
• It can also group tabs (and it provides multiple options of how it's displayed)
• I didn't test the sidebar yet, but it not being the way I want isn't a deal breaker anymore. I've been living without a sidebar for a while now in Opera because it can't deliver what I want, which is the ability to add unlimited pages to it like Edge and Yandex do
• It is possible to set pages to open as an app and pin them to the taskbar. This is great for web apps like Outlook, Spotify, WhatsApp, Google Keep, etc. I've been using Edge for this feature for a while and now I'll finally be able to use only one browser for all my daily routine (I can't use Chrome and Firefox for my routine because I'm a programmer and use them to test my software. So browsing data and extensions are fully zeroed all the time in those two)

@lord-of-the-lost, the thing is, people use browsers in their daily routine. If something breaks their routine, it's immediately felt by these people. The majority of people who use a browser though, don't care about these changes. They will only care about new bugs, which Opera One shipped with plenty. It seems to be slowly stabilizing now (current version, 105 as of now, is what I would expect of an actual stable release. This should have been the version when they did the rebranding)

Why Opera users are so worked up about stuff? Opera in special has always been the underdog alternative to the big browsers. It naturally attracted people who hate specific browsers.

That being said, there are also people out there who just want to suggest an alternative they found to be appealing to them for any reason. I'm currently moving to Vivaldi right now to give it a shot for the following reasons, which may not appeal to everybody:

• I didn't know until last week that people behind Vivaldi worked at Opera in the past, so I hoped for similar features and was not disappointed
• I for one don't care it is not 100% open source
• It is actually modular like the original Opera used to be (as in, you can place tab bar, address bar, etc. wherever you want, add or remove buttons to them wherever you want. It's basically the same UI building experience from the original Opera)
• It has a more sober UI
• It has a more customizable Speed Dial (as in you can change tile size and have folders inside folders)
• It can also pop out videos
• It can also group tabs (and it provides multiple options of how it's displayed)
• I didn't test the sidebar yet, but it not being the way I want isn't a deal breaker anymore. I've been living without a sidebar for a while now in Opera because it can't deliver what I want, which is the ability to add unlimited pages to it like Edge and Yandex do
• It is possible to set pages to open as an app and pin them to the taskbar. This is great for web apps like Outlook, Spotify, WhatsApp, Google Keep, etc. I've been using Edge for this feature for a while and now I'll finally be able to use only one browser for all my daily routine (I can't use Chrome and Firefox for my routine because I'm a programmer and use them to test my software. So browsing data and extensions are fully zeroed all the time in those two)

@zibi1981 that would explain why I don't see it. It's probably there, but since it's dark, it's not noticeable. I'll see if I can check that at the end of the day today

@krit86 still happens on other OSs (tested only on Ubuntu, though) and when it's a restored window on Windows

@kirkhampton the PC login thing is basic security. Other browsers will do that as well and they do not store your PC password. That's an OS feature and not Opera feature

I would like to mention that although the scrollbar issue was solved on a maximized window on Windows (which was the most frustrating part of this bug), it still happens on restored windows on Windows.

Which means, the border is still an extension of the title bar for some reason

I'm glad to see that the scrollbar issue was fixed in Windows, but it still happens on Linux (Ubuntu 20.04)

@kmielczarczyk thanks. Looking forward to this release. Changelog has some things that I've been asking for for a while

thanks @leocg for moving the post. I was actually looking for that one, but couldn't find it.

But now, it seems more like a bug in Opera itself and not a Forum feedback

@andrew84 thanks

I'll wait a little longer to see if it unbugs itself and auto-updates. If not, I'll have to manually do so as well

I see the forum post for v104.0.4944.54 was closed, but there is no update available for me:

Is that a bug in the update system, or a mistake in closing the post?

Thanks

@leocg ok

Just to add that this issue is intermittent. The day it doesn't work, forget it. It's not going to work. Better wait to post tomorrow

@hucker you don't have to apologize for disagreeing with something and I didn't ask your apology. That is not a problem. We can disagree about many things and still everything be fine. The issue is that you insult people while disagreeing with them. You personally attacked me multiple times even saying I have sensitive eyes for using dark mode at some point. That is uncalled for.

Being frustrated with design choices made by a company doesn't entitle you to vent this frustration in an aggressive way. You don't like the design? Ok, fine. Stay on v99. As I said before, I respect your choice. Now, please respect my choice of sticking to the new version and respect my choice to give them a suggestion even if unlikely to be accepted.

About Opera not listening to us, that is also wrong. They fixed bugs that I reported and even made one design change related to a suggestion I made.

Also, this is definitely not a place to "let off steam". If you don't have anything constructive to add to the conversation, just stop. Your constructive feedback in this conversation was "they should bring back v99 design". Lets hope somebody develops an extension that fixes that for us, because Opera's definitely not going back.

Selected tab hint is too subtle

Like, look at this:

It's almost imperceptible. The button-like design was already a bit annoying from v100, but now selected tabs are almost the same colour as non-selected tabs.

One thing I noticed though, is that the new colour matches the address bar colour. You can fix the user experience without bringing back the original colour and still make the selected tab more visually evident, by connecting the selected tab to the address bar. To fit this feature with tab islands, you can then also connect the island. It could look more or less like this:

And for tabs that aren't part of an island, it could look like this: