General Opera One Appearance Feedback Topic
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hucker last edited by
@darthgtb said in General Opera One Appearance Feedback Topic:
@hucker yeah, and I explained it in the second time I sent. The first screenshot in that second message isn't edited, so it's pointless to argue over that like you did. The second one is the "better" version. And I don't mean better than v99. I mean better than the first image, which is the current design.
I hope you understood what I meant, even if you disagree with my proposed design. I for one think the groups should stay. You can always turn that feature off if you don't like it.
The connection I proposed would work on single tabs too and it would then look like they used to be on v99 (but rounded. I know you don't like roundness, but at this point, I just accept they won't go back to squared design, so I would rather suggest them with rounded edges to fit their design new pattern). That's what I meant in the first message when I said it would get rid of the unpleasant underglow we have now on the selected tab. I didn't do it before, but here is what ungrouped tabs look like now:
And what they could look like with my proposal:
I can't even see the difference unless I stick my eyes right up to the screen, you've got mega dark blue and black next to each other. Any particular reason you have such dismal colours?
There is no need to group, there is no need to be round. They just need to go back to proper tabs. Why group something which is temporary? Webpages are only opened while you use them, why sort them? Why have rounded corners? We do that on physical objects so you don't hurt your finger, doing it on pixels is absurd.
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DarthGTB last edited by
Any particular reason you have such dismal colours?
Dude, how many times I have to tell you you shouldn't be asking these questions to me? I agree with you though. It is a poor choice of colour for the selected tab. It used to be better in previous versions of Opera One.
About having to get too close to the screen to see it, that's probably because I'm using Opera's dark mode. A small screenshot like this on a white background like this forum can make it even more difficult to see
There is no need to group
that last message has nothing to do with groups. also you can literally turn that feature off. there is no reason to whine about this that much. it's obnoxious
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hucker last edited by hucker
@darthgtb said in General Opera One Appearance Feedback Topic:
Any particular reason you have such dismal colours?
Dude, how many times I have to tell you you shouldn't be asking these questions to me? I agree with you though. It is a poor choice of colour for the selected tab. It used to be better in previous versions of Opera One.
I assume they're system colours and you have something set to dark. Opera does not look like that on my other machine I've allowed to update Opera:
Which only really has one thing wrong, the pointless gap between the tabs and the rest of the browser. But it's enough for me to disable updates.
About having to get too close to the screen to see it, that's probably because I'm using Opera's dark mode. A small screenshot like this on a white background like this forum can make it even more difficult to see
Wear sunglasses if you have sensitive eyes. If you insist on "dark mode", Opera ought to have white lines on a black background. Black on black is going to end in problems.
There is no need to group
that last message has nothing to do with groups. also you can literally turn that feature off. there is no reason to whine about this that much. it's obnoxious
I don't think you understand the word "obnoxious".
And you don't need to turn it off, it's just a pointless thing you can use by "create new tab in island".
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canadagoose4everreturns last edited by@hucker I've read through this thread and I feel compelled to add that it is "you" who might not understand the term "obnoxious." Why so animated? Chill out a bit. It's a browser, after all, not a life-altering issue. Relax.
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hucker last edited by hucker
@canadagoose4everreturns said in General Opera One Appearance Feedback Topic:
@hucker I've read through this thread and I feel compelled to add that it is "you" who might not understand the term "obnoxious." Why so animated? Chill out a bit. It's a browser, after all, not a life-altering issue. Relax.
Why do you confuse disagreement with anger? All I've done is disagree. I've not called anyone any names. Why exaggerate? Stating I think someone is wrong is not obnoxious.
Now if I was to call you a pathetic softy Canadian, that would be obnoxious.
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canadagoose4everreturns last edited by
@hucker It's pretty obvious to everyone reading this threat that you have anger issues. Seriously, Man, you might want to think about why people feel that way instead of offering excuses and then turning your last response (as you did) into a rather nasty ethnic slur.
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hucker last edited by
@canadagoose4everreturns said in General Opera One Appearance Feedback Topic:
@hucker It's pretty obvious to everyone reading this threat that you have anger issues. Seriously, Man, you might want to think about why people feel that way instead of offering excuses and then turning your last response (as you did) into a rather nasty ethnic slur.
I'm not angry with anyone but the Opera designers, I was simply having a discussion about the interface. Not sure why you two are so sensitive. Anyone disagreeing with you, you assume they're angry?
And since Canadians are the same caucasian race as me, it's not an ethnic slur. Again with your sensitivity.
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canadagoose4everreturns last edited by
@hucker A simple apology would have been better. Given that you appear only interested in pushing your views and then making explanations that seem to justify your actions rather than simply saying: "Look, I'm sorry. Let's start over", I'm going to block you going forward. I'm sorry to have to do this but I think it's best for you as well as me. I'll leave my message up here for a few hours so that you can read it before I do this. Again, it's too bad that we can't discuss things in a reasonable and friendly manner.
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andrew84 last edited by andrew84
@darthgtb said in General Opera One Appearance Feedback Topic:
the groups should stay. You can always turn that feature off if you don't like it.
Small notice here, the feature can't be turned off.
I guess you mean the 'Automatically create tab islands' toggle in Settings, but https://forums.opera.com/post/320958 -
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DarthGTB last edited by
@andrew84 yes, that's what I meant. If one doesn't want to create groups, they just don't have to. By turning off the automatic trigger, it's essentially turning off the feature. You need to hold one tab over the other for too long of a time for it to happen by accident
But yes, I may have badly worded that.
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andrew84 last edited by
@darthgtb I wish to have a possibility to turn the feature completely off because I don't need the tabs groups (islands).
The tabstrip currently is 'sharpened' under the islands and thus the tabs are so slim with these big gapes above and below to fit inside the tab islands.
Ok, if they don't want to make equal height for islands and for outer tabs, which could be the best solution. Then, at least, make normal tabs (slightly bigger with slightly bigger text) when the feature (tab islands) is completely turned off. -
DarthGTB last edited by
@andrew84 well, yes. You do have a point. But the tab button-like design choice isn't because of the tab grouping feature. It's because of the modular design. I'll open a suggestion ticket in their issue tracker about this. I don't think they will consider it right now, but they may in the future. Even though they say Opera designers have been looking into the design tendencies for browsers, theirs is the only one I've seen with this kind of design. Chrome has had floating tabs for a while too when the tab is not selected, but for some reason it's not like that anymore (at least on my installation of Chrome). I based my suggestion on Chrome's idea. Not selected stuff could stay floating. Selected stuff, connected to the address bar, just like it used to be up to version 99, but matching current visual identity
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DarthGTB last edited by
I assume they're system colours and you have something set to dark. Opera does not look like that on my other machine I've allowed to update Opera
Ah I understand it now. You probably don't know this then. Opera has a dark mode too. I based my example on their dark mode. Now imagine my suggestion with the light mode you use.
The colours in the example are irrelevant. I wanted to suggest on design change and not the colour. Those colours are the default colours of dark mode. I didn't actively change them
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andrew84 last edited by andrew84
@darthgtb said in General Opera One Appearance Feedback Topic:
But the tab button-like design choice isn't because of the tab grouping feature. It's because of the modular design
I understand this. But I meant that tabs should be of the same height (when outside the island) as tabs islands do.
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hucker last edited by
@darthgtb Since Opera will never listen to us, this is just somewhere to let off steam and thoroughly pointless. Unless it goes back to the way 99 was, I stay on 99. If 99 gets too out of date to work on many sites, I choose another browser. I don't want my Windows machine to look like a Mac.
And I will not apologise for disagreeing on an interface.
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DarthGTB last edited by
@hucker you don't have to apologize for disagreeing with something and I didn't ask your apology. That is not a problem. We can disagree about many things and still everything be fine. The issue is that you insult people while disagreeing with them. You personally attacked me multiple times even saying I have sensitive eyes for using dark mode at some point. That is uncalled for.
Being frustrated with design choices made by a company doesn't entitle you to vent this frustration in an aggressive way. You don't like the design? Ok, fine. Stay on v99. As I said before, I respect your choice. Now, please respect my choice of sticking to the new version and respect my choice to give them a suggestion even if unlikely to be accepted.
About Opera not listening to us, that is also wrong. They fixed bugs that I reported and even made one design change related to a suggestion I made.
Also, this is definitely not a place to "let off steam". If you don't have anything constructive to add to the conversation, just stop. Your constructive feedback in this conversation was "they should bring back v99 design". Lets hope somebody develops an extension that fixes that for us, because Opera's definitely not going back.
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hucker last edited by
@darthgtb Why would you believe "sensitive eyes" is an insult? I gave you a constructive way to deal with such a thing if you have it.
Your suggestion is to make it more like the old version, we're on the same wavelength and you can't even see it.
They may listen to us, but not about the interface and not in this thread.
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canadagoose4everreturns last edited by
@darthgtb An extension to revert would be awesome. I agree, however, that Opera is not going to go back from Opera One regardless of the discontent some feel about the new design.
