General Opera One Appearance Feedback Topic
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andrew84 last edited by
@darthgtb said in General Opera One Appearance Feedback Topic:
If modularization means "boxes"
That's exactly what I see now.
I see no advantages having the simply visually separated modules.
All the elements (buttons blocks, icons, panels and etc. ) are still not movable.
When I first heard 'modular' design, I indeed though it will be possible to 'assemble' the browser's UI how user wishes. But I see simply 'bordered' elements on practice instead. And what's even worse is that the browser's habitual functionality is partially broken. -
DarthGTB last edited by
@andrew84 agreed. My thoughts exactly. I even remember getting confused because when this was delivered, I couldn't find the setting. Sure a change like this would have been easier to find. It was then that I came to the forums more frequently and even pinned the bug report page because this has become quite a mess honestly. I still think they should actually make it modular instead of it just being a marketing stunt
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DarthGTB last edited by DarthGTB
@hucker ah yes, true. I forgot you decided to stick to v99. That explains the confusion. There are no vertical lines here. These divisions is what they call "tab islands"
You see, since version 100, now it's possible to group tabs. What @andrew84 and I were discussing is the fact that on current version, their choice for pseudo-modularization forced them to make the interface have floating buttons instead of actual tabs like the ones you showed in your picture.
This is what the tab grouping looks like right now on version 104:
Here are 3 groups, two of them with 2 tabs and one with three. There is also another tab that is alone, without a group. The center one in the group with 3 tabs is the selected tab.
The discussion was about making the connection of the selected tab to the tab's content more visible even if inside a group, so my proposal for fixing that, would be to connect the group with rounded outwards corners and the selected tab, which coincidentally has the same colour as the address bar, then connect to the address bar. This would make it much more visual than what we have now and still maintain the grouping functionality available. Groups that are not selected can stay floating
Since their modularization approach doesn't entail actual modularization, this should work, although I would argue, this could work even if they take modules seriously. If bottom tabs for instance, the connection would happen upwards (even if no address bar down there, but it would visually help anyway)
Edit: just for reference, this is what collapsed groups look like:
The grouping feature is honestly helpful particularly for my work cycle as I would pair a tab with what I need to do with the documentation regarding that, collapse groups with tasks that are waiting for other people to finish their stuff and so on.
The only issue is that it's not well implemented yet
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hucker last edited by@darthgtb said in General Opera One Appearance Feedback Topic:
@hucker ah yes, true. I forgot you decided to stick to v99. That explains the confusion. There are no vertical lines here. These divisions is what they call "tab islands"
They are vertical lines, I see vertical bars of colour. Those cannot look differrnt on your end, it's a picture attachment, we both see the same.
You see, since version 100, now it's possible to group tabs.
Why on earth would you want to do that? Extra complications.
What @andrew84 and I were discussing is the fact that on current version, their choice for pseudo-modularization forced them to make the interface have floating buttons instead of actual tabs like the ones you showed in your picture.
And what I see on your example has faded out text, why?
This is what the tab grouping looks like right now on version 104:
Here are 3 groups, two of them with 2 tabs and one with three. There is also another tab that is alone, without a group. The center one in the group with 3 tabs is the selected tab.
It just looks like a vague mess. One tab is wider for no reason, the lettering fades out, and I can't see any divider between each one.
The discussion was about making the connection of the selected tab to the tab's content more visible even if inside a group, so my proposal for fixing that, would be to connect the group with rounded outwards corners and the selected tab, which coincidentally has the same colour as the address bar, then connect to the address bar. This would make it much more visual than what we have now and still maintain the grouping functionality available. Groups that are not selected can stay floating
Nothing should float, that's a silly gimmick.
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DarthGTB last edited by DarthGTB
@hucker why are you mad at me? like... honest question
You reply to me as if I were an Opera designer. I'm not. "why there is faded out text?" I don't have a clue. Ask Opera not me. My reply has literally nothing to do with that. The only thing I talked about you didn't reply about
Dude, maybe you need a Snickers. You are not yourself when you are hungry
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hucker last edited by
@darthgtb said in General Opera One Appearance Feedback Topic:
@hucker why are you mad at me? like... honest question
You reply to me as if I were an Opera designer. I'm not. "why there is faded out text?" I don't have a clue. Ask Opera not me. My reply has literally nothing to do with that. The only thing I talked about you didn't reply about
Dude, maybe you need a Snickers. You are not yourself when you are hungry
I'm not mad at you, I'm just trying to understand the weird screenshot you posted, which you said was "better". It's unusable. The tabs should look like my screenshot from v99. They should simply label the page and let you click them, a very simple function, it requires no fancy flower arranging round it.
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DarthGTB last edited by
@hucker yeah, and I explained it in the second time I sent. The first screenshot in that second message isn't edited, so it's pointless to argue over that like you did. The second one is the "better" version. And I don't mean better than v99. I mean better than the first image, which is the current design.
I hope you understood what I meant, even if you disagree with my proposed design. I for one think the groups should stay. You can always turn that feature off if you don't like it.
The connection I proposed would work on single tabs too and it would then look like they used to be on v99 (but rounded. I know you don't like roundness, but at this point, I just accept they won't go back to squared design, so I would rather suggest them with rounded edges to fit their design new pattern). That's what I meant in the first message when I said it would get rid of the unpleasant underglow we have now on the selected tab. I didn't do it before, but here is what ungrouped tabs look like now:
And what they could look like with my proposal:
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hucker last edited by
@darthgtb said in General Opera One Appearance Feedback Topic:
@hucker yeah, and I explained it in the second time I sent. The first screenshot in that second message isn't edited, so it's pointless to argue over that like you did. The second one is the "better" version. And I don't mean better than v99. I mean better than the first image, which is the current design.
I hope you understood what I meant, even if you disagree with my proposed design. I for one think the groups should stay. You can always turn that feature off if you don't like it.
The connection I proposed would work on single tabs too and it would then look like they used to be on v99 (but rounded. I know you don't like roundness, but at this point, I just accept they won't go back to squared design, so I would rather suggest them with rounded edges to fit their design new pattern). That's what I meant in the first message when I said it would get rid of the unpleasant underglow we have now on the selected tab. I didn't do it before, but here is what ungrouped tabs look like now:
And what they could look like with my proposal:
I can't even see the difference unless I stick my eyes right up to the screen, you've got mega dark blue and black next to each other. Any particular reason you have such dismal colours?
There is no need to group, there is no need to be round. They just need to go back to proper tabs. Why group something which is temporary? Webpages are only opened while you use them, why sort them? Why have rounded corners? We do that on physical objects so you don't hurt your finger, doing it on pixels is absurd.
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DarthGTB last edited by
Any particular reason you have such dismal colours?
Dude, how many times I have to tell you you shouldn't be asking these questions to me? I agree with you though. It is a poor choice of colour for the selected tab. It used to be better in previous versions of Opera One.
About having to get too close to the screen to see it, that's probably because I'm using Opera's dark mode. A small screenshot like this on a white background like this forum can make it even more difficult to see
There is no need to group
that last message has nothing to do with groups. also you can literally turn that feature off. there is no reason to whine about this that much. it's obnoxious
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hucker last edited by hucker
@darthgtb said in General Opera One Appearance Feedback Topic:
Any particular reason you have such dismal colours?
Dude, how many times I have to tell you you shouldn't be asking these questions to me? I agree with you though. It is a poor choice of colour for the selected tab. It used to be better in previous versions of Opera One.
I assume they're system colours and you have something set to dark. Opera does not look like that on my other machine I've allowed to update Opera:
Which only really has one thing wrong, the pointless gap between the tabs and the rest of the browser. But it's enough for me to disable updates.
About having to get too close to the screen to see it, that's probably because I'm using Opera's dark mode. A small screenshot like this on a white background like this forum can make it even more difficult to see
Wear sunglasses if you have sensitive eyes. If you insist on "dark mode", Opera ought to have white lines on a black background. Black on black is going to end in problems.
There is no need to group
that last message has nothing to do with groups. also you can literally turn that feature off. there is no reason to whine about this that much. it's obnoxious
I don't think you understand the word "obnoxious".
And you don't need to turn it off, it's just a pointless thing you can use by "create new tab in island".
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canadagoose4everreturns last edited by@hucker I've read through this thread and I feel compelled to add that it is "you" who might not understand the term "obnoxious." Why so animated? Chill out a bit. It's a browser, after all, not a life-altering issue. Relax.
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hucker last edited by hucker
@canadagoose4everreturns said in General Opera One Appearance Feedback Topic:
@hucker I've read through this thread and I feel compelled to add that it is "you" who might not understand the term "obnoxious." Why so animated? Chill out a bit. It's a browser, after all, not a life-altering issue. Relax.
Why do you confuse disagreement with anger? All I've done is disagree. I've not called anyone any names. Why exaggerate? Stating I think someone is wrong is not obnoxious.
Now if I was to call you a pathetic softy Canadian, that would be obnoxious.
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canadagoose4everreturns last edited by
@hucker It's pretty obvious to everyone reading this threat that you have anger issues. Seriously, Man, you might want to think about why people feel that way instead of offering excuses and then turning your last response (as you did) into a rather nasty ethnic slur.
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hucker last edited by
@canadagoose4everreturns said in General Opera One Appearance Feedback Topic:
@hucker It's pretty obvious to everyone reading this threat that you have anger issues. Seriously, Man, you might want to think about why people feel that way instead of offering excuses and then turning your last response (as you did) into a rather nasty ethnic slur.
I'm not angry with anyone but the Opera designers, I was simply having a discussion about the interface. Not sure why you two are so sensitive. Anyone disagreeing with you, you assume they're angry?
And since Canadians are the same caucasian race as me, it's not an ethnic slur. Again with your sensitivity.
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canadagoose4everreturns last edited by
@hucker A simple apology would have been better. Given that you appear only interested in pushing your views and then making explanations that seem to justify your actions rather than simply saying: "Look, I'm sorry. Let's start over", I'm going to block you going forward. I'm sorry to have to do this but I think it's best for you as well as me. I'll leave my message up here for a few hours so that you can read it before I do this. Again, it's too bad that we can't discuss things in a reasonable and friendly manner.
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andrew84 last edited by andrew84
@darthgtb said in General Opera One Appearance Feedback Topic:
the groups should stay. You can always turn that feature off if you don't like it.
Small notice here, the feature can't be turned off.
I guess you mean the 'Automatically create tab islands' toggle in Settings, but https://forums.opera.com/post/320958 -
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DarthGTB last edited by
@andrew84 yes, that's what I meant. If one doesn't want to create groups, they just don't have to. By turning off the automatic trigger, it's essentially turning off the feature. You need to hold one tab over the other for too long of a time for it to happen by accident
But yes, I may have badly worded that.
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andrew84 last edited by
@darthgtb I wish to have a possibility to turn the feature completely off because I don't need the tabs groups (islands).
The tabstrip currently is 'sharpened' under the islands and thus the tabs are so slim with these big gapes above and below to fit inside the tab islands.
Ok, if they don't want to make equal height for islands and for outer tabs, which could be the best solution. Then, at least, make normal tabs (slightly bigger with slightly bigger text) when the feature (tab islands) is completely turned off. -
DarthGTB last edited by
@andrew84 well, yes. You do have a point. But the tab button-like design choice isn't because of the tab grouping feature. It's because of the modular design. I'll open a suggestion ticket in their issue tracker about this. I don't think they will consider it right now, but they may in the future. Even though they say Opera designers have been looking into the design tendencies for browsers, theirs is the only one I've seen with this kind of design. Chrome has had floating tabs for a while too when the tab is not selected, but for some reason it's not like that anymore (at least on my installation of Chrome). I based my suggestion on Chrome's idea. Not selected stuff could stay floating. Selected stuff, connected to the address bar, just like it used to be up to version 99, but matching current visual identity
