Presto upgrade to Opera 25

samkook

samkook

I know it's been around for a while(the first alpha release was january 1st of this year), but I personally just learned about it and thought others might not have heard of it.

It's perfectly possible for a couple of coders to create a very functional browser. They're not creating the web engine, they're using something already built like opera is doing so they only have to work on the interface which simplify things quite a bit.
They're also using an already existing and recent UI bulding tool which cut developing time and is something the opera dev didn't have back when they started.

The reason the old opera got ditched is because after so many years of updating it, the code became a mess and they weren't able to use a new engine with the old UI so they had to start from scratch.

As for viable alternative to the old opera, for now(for me), it's limited to firefox only so there's not much choice there. Chrome and opera 25 are too limited(not being able to save ssl certificates is a deal breaker for me) and IE haven't been very good in years(Although I don't know about the newer releases, I'm forced to stick with v8 for work).
As for Maxthon, I never tried it, but one thing I don't want is my browser having anything to do with the cloud(I use different settings/bookmarks on my different PCs). I'd use Lunascape instead(and do on my phone when I'm not using opera) if I want a multi-engine browser.

Deleted User

Deleted User

IE11 is a very, very capable browser not at all like former versions. Two guys trying to make a browser that will somehow be compatible with any of the modern browsers and yet possess the features of the older Presto browser is laughable. I can't imagine anyone really thinking such a thing will amount to much. The reason the old browser was ditched has everything to do with a messy code base BECAUSE they put everything including the kitchen sink into the code base. And now these two guys are going to try and duplicate that with all the old features Presto contained? Right.

samkook

samkook

If code becomes messy BECAUSE you add too many features, then you're very poor at coding. It's the constant modifying of the code to keep it up to date with the times that makes it messy. If you plan things well, you can add as many features as you want in an orderly fashion. It's the things that you don't/can't plan for that will get you(the opera devs couldn't possibly know what all those years of internet evolution would bring).

A browser doesn't have to be compatible with other browsers, it has to be compatible with websites and that's the job of the web engine which they're not developing so it already is(you can already use it to view pretty much any website). It's the bells and whistles around the viewing of webpages that they need to implement(UI customization, tab stacking/grouping, mouse gesture, password manager, spell checker, extensions, etc.).

Also, they're not planning on implementing ALL the features the old opera had since some might not make sense in their case or can't be done if you're not a big company(like uploading settings to a cloud since servers to hold that data cost a lot of money) and they don't want to clone the old opera UI.

leocg

leocg Moderator Volunteer

opera:config has been replaced by opera://flags

Nope, they are different things with different purposes.

samkook

samkook

opera:config has been replaced by opera://flags

Nope, they are different things with different purposes.

Maybe not the same thing, but if you want advanced options to tweak the browser, it's the place to go.

leocg

leocg Moderator Volunteer

  opera:config has been replaced by opera://flags

Nope, they are different things with different purposes.
Maybe not the same thing, but if you want advanced options to tweak the browser, it's the place to go.

But you need to bear in mind that a flag may not be there on the next build as flags are experiments and not exactly an advanced setting. Something that usually wasn't the case on opera:config.

Deleted User

Deleted User

The so-called "Otter" project is a joke. Follow this link and check it out for yourself. First start by scrolling to the bottom of the page. It's filled with spelling and grammatical errors (sort of fills you with confidence, doesn't it) and the goals are ridiculous. And THIS is what the disenchanted former power users of Opera 12 are pinning their hopes on... this "thing"? Evidently some members of the DnD Sanctuary have it in their heads that they can compete on an equal footing with paid, full-time employees of Google, MS, Opera and Mozilla. Should be a cake-walk.

http://otter-browser.org/

Deleted User

Deleted User

@leushino don't forget that the installation of that "browser" is difficult compared to others.

samkook

samkook

Not sure what your beef is with them or why you seem to hate the project so much, but I'm only talking for myself, not all the "disenchanted former power users of Opera 12" when I say I have hope for the project.

I'm basing my opinion on my experience after giving it a try using the traditional installer and it's a browser that loaded every page I needed and has a functioning MDI interface so it's already better than opera 25 for my needs(those previous 3 words are very important, don't go ahead and ignore them).
If they had implemented better ssl certificate handling and tab grouping, I'd have seriously tried switching to it for my main browser.

They don't need to compete with the big guys, they just offer a different alternative that no other browser is offering which attract a minority of people.
I seriously doubt it will ever come close to being a major browser, but they're at least trying to fill a void many of us feel. The fact they're not writing in perfect english doesn't mean they have no coding skills and that's what matter when you're writing a software.

For the goals, as they say, “It's better to dare to dream big and achieve half of your dreams than to dream small dreams and achieve all”.

blackbird71

blackbird71

The so-called "Otter" project is a joke. ... First start by scrolling to the bottom of the page. It's filled with spelling and grammatical errors (sort of fills you with confidence, doesn't it) and the goals are ridiculous. ... Evidently some members of the DnD Sanctuary have it in their heads that they can compete on an equal footing with paid, full-time employees of Google, MS, Opera and Mozilla. Should be a cake-walk.
...

Like some browser developers in Norway, English is not the "first language" of the primary Otter developer... and both, at times, occasionally don't phrase things with the best grammatical and spelling correctness - but that seems not to affect their inherent coding ability in either case. Goals are just that: goals... and if creative individuals didn't sometimes find ways of accomplishing difficult or 'impossible' goals, a lot of the technical things surrounding us today would not exist. As far as paid, full-time employees of big operations go, if that was all we had to rely upon, I dare say users of Opera and some other browsers would find themselves missing a LOT of the "extension" functionality that those browsers now rely upon. Moreover, many of the large enterprises of today started out as 1 or 2-man garage-shop operations in the not too distant past. Just sayin'... never disdain humble beginnings. While the "startup" business odds are always stacked against a new endeavor, one never truly knows in the early stages...

Deleted User

Deleted User

I have no beef with dreamers as long as we recognize that this browser is little more than that ... whistling in the graveyard. It should not be held up as a possible alternative to Opera Blink which is an awesome browser and is rapidly gaining a loyal following in spite of all the negative posts from a handful of former Opera users. Opera Presto is dead. Deal with it and move on.

namal23

namal23

Deal with it and move on.

I did, on Ubuntu I am now using firefox. With every so called "update" opera will lose more and more of its former users untill its dead.

Deleted User

Deleted User

Deal with it and move on.

I did, on Ubuntu I am now using firefox. With every so called "update" opera will lose more and more of its former users untill its dead.

Why would lose if it is getting better and better?

A Former User

Leushino, Nazis too were eager to introduce "new things" in place of old good ("not good enough" for them) things, as bolsheviks as well.

samkook

samkook

I have no beef with dreamers as long as we recognize that this browser is little more than that ... whistling in the graveyard. It should not be held up as a possible alternative to Opera Blink which is an awesome browser and is rapidly gaining a loyal following in spite of all the negative posts from a handful of former Opera users. Opera Presto is dead. Deal with it and move on.

So since I don't recognize that since I clearly see it as a possible viable alternative, this means you do have a beef with them. It's a working browser with good compatibility with websites so I don't know why you keep insisting it's not a viable alternative.

Presto isn't dead yet BTW, that's what I'm using right now to write this post and I still use it for many websites. I did migrate to firefox as my main browser though since I wanted to switch before too many problems with it started to appear.

I've moved on, but I don't have to deal with anything you said since I disagree with pretty much everything.

Why would lose if it is getting better and better?

Because it getting better and better is a very subjective thing, I had to stop updating it back when I was giving it a fair shot since it was getting worse for me.

Deleted User

Deleted User

it got worse for you, that does nota mean for everybody. Say Opera will get worse is subjective too.

leocg

leocg Moderator Volunteer

Please use this thread to discuss only about its subject. Discissions about other (no pun intended) belongs to the lounge.

Also rem,ember to respect other people's opinion and that this thread is not about liking or not the new Opera (or related stuff), there are already lots of topics about this.

Also remember to read the forums rules, specially #6.

Thank you.

namal23

namal23

Why would lose if it is getting better and better?

I did not know anything abot the changes in the last year nor did I care much. Not the change from 12.x to 15 killed it for me, it was the LAST stupid update. That is why I thinkt that opera will die, because there are many more people like me.

A Former User

Also remember to read the forums rules, specially #6.

Leo, I tried to click on your "#6" "link" - it led me to some "Search results for “#6”".
That were fairly irrelevant.. ahem.. results*:sherlock:*

As to the issue, you're right.
What do we have here? Some Presto lovers come here and curse the Blink; but also we have some Blink users who both "bury" the Old Opera - and morally abuse Presto users.

What shall we do since now?
Stop cursing & burying, AND stop abusing each other on the ground who uses which browser. (BTW, Presto users haven't been caught - eg by myself - at, say, calling Blink users names yet, all right?)

Deleted User

Deleted User

  Deal with it and move on. 
    

I did, on Ubuntu I am now using firefox.  With every so called "update" opera will lose more and more of its former users untill its dead.

Why would lose if it is getting better and better?

It's not losing anything, Sidney. If anything it is gaining new users. The are a few disaffected former (or current) Presto users here who complain loudly after each new version update and a handful have even threatened to abandon Opera. But numbers speak more loudly and Opera's usage is on the increase. New users are replacing the complainers and many like myself who have been with Opera since the late 90's will continue to be loyal to the company.