Presto upgrade to Opera 25

[nimd4]

nimd4 last edited by

Inform yourself by searching instead of just saying: "dunno if I'm even (sic) BOTHERED to find out what's going on."

Actually, it's right there - in the first sentence of this thread (which, also, I had quoted in my reply :)), Chromium (& I was STILL blind to read it, lolz!).

AnyWHO, problem solved! ;-P

P.S.
Seriously, though, did NOT realize how Opera had switched-over to teh Chromium engine.. & last night, needed a quick .mht web page save; but, instead, went on an epic journey - to nowhere - only to find out how one of the BEST browsers, that there ever was, was disintegrated and turned into ****

[Deleted User]

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Yeah... one of the best. I think at its height it attracted a crowd of about 2% of users worldwide. No, Opera has made the right decision and the browser is already better than before and getting even better with each new version.

[A Former User]

A Former User last edited by

...at its height it attracted a crowd of about 2% of users worldwide.

Jealous?
Did you ever know the difference between art and mass production? :sherlock:

[Deleted User]

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Yeah... one of the best. I think at its height it attracted a crowd of about 2% of users worldwide. No, Opera has made the right decision and the browser is already better than before and getting even better with each new version.

It is 3.2% now

[blackbird71]

blackbird71 last edited by

Yeah... one of the best. I think at its height it attracted a crowd of about 2% of users worldwide. No, Opera has made the right decision and the browser is already better than before and getting even better with each new version.

It is 3.2% now

Depending on which stat one pays attention to. There's a range of stats, and Blink fans and critics can choose whichever seems to support their view at any given moment. As it stands right now, though there are no significant changes in Opera's overall share in many of them. Clicky, for example, shows Opera's share right where it was a year ago, with growth in Blink versions almost equal to the decline in Presto version usage for a net of almost no aggregate change.

[samkook]

samkook last edited by

opera://config - WHATever, there isn't -even- a settings page, w/parameters (like the about:config, in Firefox; like Opera USED to have), that's easily accessible (searching 4 it, now, but, who knows, maybe it doesn't even exist)

opera:config has been replaced by opera://flags

No, Opera has made the right decision and the browser is already better than before and getting even better with each new version.

That's a very subjective statement and for those who hate chrome, completely false because people have different priorities(for me the new opera is useless and a menace with the forced auto-updating, but I won't go into details, I'm trying to put my complaining about it days behind me).

Now for some good news for the old 2%, since I was really missing the old MDI interface, I did some research and there's apparently a couple of people who also miss opera 12- that started Otter Browser which is meant to bring back many of the features from the old opera.
It's still very early in the development, but it seem to be going well and the MDI features have been implemented about 2 weeks ago.

[Deleted User]

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Yeah... one of the best. I think at its height it attracted a crowd of about 2% of users worldwide. No, Opera has made the right decision and the browser is already better than before and getting even better with each new version.

It is 3.2% now

Exactly. And as it continues to attract new users (and sweep out some of the old whiners and complainers... or as they like to call themselves: the "power users") it's usage share will increase even more. Congratulations, Opera.

[Deleted User]

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opera://config - WHATever, there isn't -even- a settings page, w/parameters (like the about:config, in
Now for some good news for the old 2%, since I was really missing the old MDI interface, I did some research and there's apparently a couple of people who also miss opera 12- that started Otter Browser which is meant to bring back many of the features from the old opera.
It's still very early in the development, but it seem to be going well and the MDI features have been implemented about 2 weeks ago.

This isn't new news. It's been around for several months now and was first bandied about in the Vivaldi forum (which incidentally is going nowhere fast as it loses members and gains spammers). A couple of disenchanted coders are going to create a new browser that will somehow be able to do what the entire stable of Presto developers could not do? LOL Dream on. There are very few viable alternatives to Opera 25: Chrome, Firefox, Maxthon and of course IE11 (Safari if you're on a Mac but Safari is hardly a viable alternative). Of the lot, only Firefox and Chrome can really compete. The few who pine for the old Opera could be likened to the exceedingly small group of SeaMonkey users who crave for the Netscape suite and eschew the FF/TB combination. Their numbers are under 1% and if truth be told, that is exactly where the Presto numbers are as more Opera users get on board with Opera Blink.

[samkook]

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I know it's been around for a while(the first alpha release was january 1st of this year), but I personally just learned about it and thought others might not have heard of it.

It's perfectly possible for a couple of coders to create a very functional browser. They're not creating the web engine, they're using something already built like opera is doing so they only have to work on the interface which simplify things quite a bit.
They're also using an already existing and recent UI bulding tool which cut developing time and is something the opera dev didn't have back when they started.

The reason the old opera got ditched is because after so many years of updating it, the code became a mess and they weren't able to use a new engine with the old UI so they had to start from scratch.

As for viable alternative to the old opera, for now(for me), it's limited to firefox only so there's not much choice there. Chrome and opera 25 are too limited(not being able to save ssl certificates is a deal breaker for me) and IE haven't been very good in years(Although I don't know about the newer releases, I'm forced to stick with v8 for work).
As for Maxthon, I never tried it, but one thing I don't want is my browser having anything to do with the cloud(I use different settings/bookmarks on my different PCs). I'd use Lunascape instead(and do on my phone when I'm not using opera) if I want a multi-engine browser.

[Deleted User]

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IE11 is a very, very capable browser not at all like former versions. Two guys trying to make a browser that will somehow be compatible with any of the modern browsers and yet possess the features of the older Presto browser is laughable. I can't imagine anyone really thinking such a thing will amount to much. The reason the old browser was ditched has everything to do with a messy code base BECAUSE they put everything including the kitchen sink into the code base. And now these two guys are going to try and duplicate that with all the old features Presto contained? Right.

[samkook]

samkook last edited by

If code becomes messy BECAUSE you add too many features, then you're very poor at coding. It's the constant modifying of the code to keep it up to date with the times that makes it messy. If you plan things well, you can add as many features as you want in an orderly fashion. It's the things that you don't/can't plan for that will get you(the opera devs couldn't possibly know what all those years of internet evolution would bring).

A browser doesn't have to be compatible with other browsers, it has to be compatible with websites and that's the job of the web engine which they're not developing so it already is(you can already use it to view pretty much any website). It's the bells and whistles around the viewing of webpages that they need to implement(UI customization, tab stacking/grouping, mouse gesture, password manager, spell checker, extensions, etc.).

Also, they're not planning on implementing ALL the features the old opera had since some might not make sense in their case or can't be done if you're not a big company(like uploading settings to a cloud since servers to hold that data cost a lot of money) and they don't want to clone the old opera UI.

[leocg]

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opera:config has been replaced by opera://flags

Nope, they are different things with different purposes.

[samkook]

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opera:config has been replaced by opera://flags

Nope, they are different things with different purposes.

Maybe not the same thing, but if you want advanced options to tweak the browser, it's the place to go.

[leocg]

leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by

  opera:config has been replaced by opera://flags

Nope, they are different things with different purposes.

Maybe not the same thing, but if you want advanced options to tweak the browser, it's the place to go.

But you need to bear in mind that a flag may not be there on the next build as flags are experiments and not exactly an advanced setting. Something that usually wasn't the case on opera:config.

[Deleted User]

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The so-called "Otter" project is a joke. Follow this link and check it out for yourself. First start by scrolling to the bottom of the page. It's filled with spelling and grammatical errors (sort of fills you with confidence, doesn't it) and the goals are ridiculous. And THIS is what the disenchanted former power users of Opera 12 are pinning their hopes on... this "thing"? Evidently some members of the DnD Sanctuary have it in their heads that they can compete on an equal footing with paid, full-time employees of Google, MS, Opera and Mozilla. Should be a cake-walk.

http://otter-browser.org/

[Deleted User]

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@leushino don't forget that the installation of that "browser" is difficult compared to others.

[samkook]

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Not sure what your beef is with them or why you seem to hate the project so much, but I'm only talking for myself, not all the "disenchanted former power users of Opera 12" when I say I have hope for the project.

I'm basing my opinion on my experience after giving it a try using the traditional installer and it's a browser that loaded every page I needed and has a functioning MDI interface so it's already better than opera 25 for my needs(those previous 3 words are very important, don't go ahead and ignore them).
If they had implemented better ssl certificate handling and tab grouping, I'd have seriously tried switching to it for my main browser.

They don't need to compete with the big guys, they just offer a different alternative that no other browser is offering which attract a minority of people.
I seriously doubt it will ever come close to being a major browser, but they're at least trying to fill a void many of us feel. The fact they're not writing in perfect english doesn't mean they have no coding skills and that's what matter when you're writing a software.

For the goals, as they say, “It's better to dare to dream big and achieve half of your dreams than to dream small dreams and achieve all”.

[blackbird71]

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The so-called "Otter" project is a joke. ... First start by scrolling to the bottom of the page. It's filled with spelling and grammatical errors (sort of fills you with confidence, doesn't it) and the goals are ridiculous. ... Evidently some members of the DnD Sanctuary have it in their heads that they can compete on an equal footing with paid, full-time employees of Google, MS, Opera and Mozilla. Should be a cake-walk.
...

Like some browser developers in Norway, English is not the "first language" of the primary Otter developer... and both, at times, occasionally don't phrase things with the best grammatical and spelling correctness - but that seems not to affect their inherent coding ability in either case. Goals are just that: goals... and if creative individuals didn't sometimes find ways of accomplishing difficult or 'impossible' goals, a lot of the technical things surrounding us today would not exist. As far as paid, full-time employees of big operations go, if that was all we had to rely upon, I dare say users of Opera and some other browsers would find themselves missing a LOT of the "extension" functionality that those browsers now rely upon. Moreover, many of the large enterprises of today started out as 1 or 2-man garage-shop operations in the not too distant past. Just sayin'... never disdain humble beginnings. While the "startup" business odds are always stacked against a new endeavor, one never truly knows in the early stages...

[Deleted User]

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I have no beef with dreamers as long as we recognize that this browser is little more than that ... whistling in the graveyard. It should not be held up as a possible alternative to Opera Blink which is an awesome browser and is rapidly gaining a loyal following in spite of all the negative posts from a handful of former Opera users. Opera Presto is dead. Deal with it and move on.

[namal23]

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Deal with it and move on.

I did, on Ubuntu I am now using firefox. With every so called "update" opera will lose more and more of its former users untill its dead.