Let's continue the discussion in here, please.

Chat - in the Lounge - is no place to discuss the browser.
Well - if you assume we should discuss some users' behaviour...
Then start an applicable topic wherever you deem appropriate

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Let's continue the discussion in here, please.

Chat - in the Lounge - is no place to discuss the browser.
Well - if you assume we should discuss some users' behaviour...
:sherlock: Then start an applicable topic wherever you deem appropriate*:idea:*

Resorting to the usage of the word Nazis to prove a point serves only to lose credibility.

You see words - I see analogy.
Which one means that destroying old does not anyhow prove that the old has been bad.

Yes, a year is a long time in website development which is why it astounds me that you have not got the bookmark system sorted out yet as it was in Opera 12. It surely can not be that big a deal and as it does seem to be a major sticking point in people transferring over from Opera 12 to Opera 25 or simply going to a totally different web-browser it seems somewhat short-sighted.

What is the reason why the bookmark set-up has not been put into Opera 25 properly? There must be some reason.

Thank you.

Although it might be too late for me: my Opera 12.17 has just started crashing every 20minutes even having this website causing the crash.

...Presto users here who complain loudly after each new version update...

Do they complain just loudly or do they have reasons?
The point is, they developers named the new browser (however useful) "Opera", by which misassuring old users of Opera that that's just the same browser. They come to it thus - don't they have rights to? - and what they see dumps them with frustration.
You seem to not share such frustration by your own feelings/reasons/whatever. But now you think they what?
They don't have rights to be frustrated? They don't have reasons to?
ARGUE WITH THE REASONS! not the feelings.

Leushino, Nazis too were eager to introduce "new things" in place of old good ("not good enough" for them) things, as bolsheviks as well.

Resorting to the usage of the word Nazis to prove a point serves only to lose credibility. But in light of Leo's admonition, I'll say no more on the subject.

  Deal with it and move on. 
    

I did, on Ubuntu I am now using firefox.  With every so called "update" opera will lose more and more of its former users untill its dead.

Why would lose if it is getting better and better?

It's not losing anything, Sidney. If anything it is gaining new users. The are a few disaffected former (or current) Presto users here who complain loudly after each new version update and a handful have even threatened to abandon Opera. But numbers speak more loudly and Opera's usage is on the increase. New users are replacing the complainers and many like myself who have been with Opera since the late 90's will continue to be loyal to the company.

Also remember to read the forums rules, specially #6.

Leo, I tried to click on your "#6" "link" - it led me to some "Search results for “#6”".
That were fairly irrelevant.. ahem.. results*:sherlock:*

As to the issue, you're right.
What do we have here? Some Presto lovers come here and curse the Blink; but also we have some Blink users who both "bury" the Old Opera - and morally abuse Presto users.

What shall we do since now?
Stop cursing & burying, AND stop abusing each other on the ground who uses which browser. (BTW, Presto users haven't been caught - eg by myself - at, say, calling Blink users names yet, all right?)

Why would lose if it is getting better and better?

I did not know anything abot the changes in the last year nor did I care much. Not the change from 12.x to 15 killed it for me, it was the LAST stupid update. That is why I thinkt that opera will die, because there are many more people like me.

Also rem,ember to respect other people's opinion and that this thread is not about liking or not the new Opera (or related stuff), there are already lots of topics about this.

Also remember to read the forums rules, specially #6.

Thank you.

I have no beef with dreamers as long as we recognize that this browser is little more than that ... whistling in the graveyard. It should not be held up as a possible alternative to Opera Blink which is an awesome browser and is rapidly gaining a loyal following in spite of all the negative posts from a handful of former Opera users. Opera Presto is dead. Deal with it and move on.

So since I don't recognize that since I clearly see it as a possible viable alternative, this means you do have a beef with them. It's a working browser with good compatibility with websites so I don't know why you keep insisting it's not a viable alternative.

Presto isn't dead yet BTW, that's what I'm using right now to write this post and I still use it for many websites. I did migrate to firefox as my main browser though since I wanted to switch before too many problems with it started to appear.

I've moved on, but I don't have to deal with anything you said since I disagree with pretty much everything.

Why would lose if it is getting better and better?

Because it getting better and better is a very subjective thing, I had to stop updating it back when I was giving it a fair shot since it was getting worse for me.

Deal with it and move on.

I did, on Ubuntu I am now using firefox. With every so called "update" opera will lose more and more of its former users untill its dead.

Why would lose if it is getting better and better?

Deal with it and move on.

I did, on Ubuntu I am now using firefox. With every so called "update" opera will lose more and more of its former users untill its dead.

The so-called "Otter" project is a joke. ... First start by scrolling to the bottom of the page. It's filled with spelling and grammatical errors (sort of fills you with confidence, doesn't it) and the goals are ridiculous. ... Evidently some members of the DnD Sanctuary have it in their heads that they can compete on an equal footing with paid, full-time employees of Google, MS, Opera and Mozilla. Should be a cake-walk.
...

Like some browser developers in Norway, English is not the "first language" of the primary Otter developer... and both, at times, occasionally don't phrase things with the best grammatical and spelling correctness - but that seems not to affect their inherent coding ability in either case. Goals are just that: goals... and if creative individuals didn't sometimes find ways of accomplishing difficult or 'impossible' goals, a lot of the technical things surrounding us today would not exist. As far as paid, full-time employees of big operations go, if that was all we had to rely upon, I dare say users of Opera and some other browsers would find themselves missing a LOT of the "extension" functionality that those browsers now rely upon. Moreover, many of the large enterprises of today started out as 1 or 2-man garage-shop operations in the not too distant past. Just sayin'... never disdain humble beginnings. While the "startup" business odds are always stacked against a new endeavor, one never truly knows in the early stages...

I'm basing my opinion on my experience after giving it a try using the traditional installer and it's a browser that loaded every page I needed and has a functioning MDI interface so it's already better than opera 25 for my needs(those previous 3 words are very important, don't go ahead and ignore them).
If they had implemented better ssl certificate handling and tab grouping, I'd have seriously tried switching to it for my main browser.

They don't need to compete with the big guys, they just offer a different alternative that no other browser is offering which attract a minority of people.
I seriously doubt it will ever come close to being a major browser, but they're at least trying to fill a void many of us feel. The fact they're not writing in perfect english doesn't mean they have no coding skills and that's what matter when you're writing a software.

For the goals, as they say, “It's better to dare to dream big and achieve half of your dreams than to dream small dreams and achieve all”.

http://otter-browser.org/

  opera:config has been replaced by opera://flags

Nope, they are different things with different purposes.

Maybe not the same thing, but if you want advanced options to tweak the browser, it's the place to go.

But you need to bear in mind that a flag may not be there on the next build as flags are experiments and not exactly an advanced setting. Something that usually wasn't the case on opera:config.

opera:config has been replaced by opera://flags

Nope, they are different things with different purposes.

Maybe not the same thing, but if you want advanced options to tweak the browser, it's the place to go.