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    • A Former User
      A Former User @andrew84 last edited by

      @andrew84 Weird. Then one more guess. Chrome and Edge use proprietary codecs for h.264, while pure Chromium, Opera and Vivaldi do not, I know that for sure. Can you test your CPU load problem for h.264 for example in Vivaldi 4.3? (Portable mode can be selected in the installer, similar to Opera).

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      • andrew84
        andrew84 @Guest last edited by

        @johnd78 yes, in Vivaldi 4.3 (standalone) I have the same issue
        2021-10-11_211645.png

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        • A Former User
          A Former User @andrew84 last edited by A Former User

          @andrew84 Then perhaps this is a problem of new versions of browsers on the chromium engine, but compiled without their own proprietary codecs? Such browsers use system codecs. (If you self-compile the source code for chromium, you can enable this feature, but I think that browser developers should have a license).
          But this is something specific, related to your system or hardware. On Win 7x64, I could not reproduce your problem. The CPU load when watching this example video in h.264 with h264ify is about the same in any version of Opera, Chrome and Vivaldi. Edge is slightly less than others, but in any case, the CPU load is small.

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          • andrew84
            andrew84 @Guest last edited by

            @johnd78 There's no way trying fixing it locally (install/reinstall/update system codecs, 3rd party codecs, copy something from O78 installation and paste into O81 directory or similar way)?

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            • A Former User
              A Former User @andrew84 last edited by

              @andrew84 said in Opera 81.0.4196.0 developer update:

              copy something from O78 installation and paste into O81 directory or similar way

              In the case of the O78, definitely not. Honestly, I don't know what is wrong with the system codecs in your case.

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              • burnout426
                burnout426 Volunteer @andrew84 last edited by

                @andrew84 Dev is curious. Could you please provide full opera://media-internal logs for both Opera 78 and 81/82 with the h264ify so that you get the h.264 video and the high cpu usage?

                Also, please try --disable-features=D3D11VideoDecoder on the command-line. to see if that makes a difference. (I know you already tried changing opera://flags/#use-angle to not use D3D11, but try this specifically.)

                If not, try --enable-features=D3D11VideoDecoderIgnoreWorkarounds.

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                • andrew84
                  andrew84 @burnout426 last edited by andrew84

                  @burnout426 said in Opera 81.0.4196.0 developer update:

                  --disable-features=D3D11VideoDecoder

                  Hi, I'll check logs also but it seems that this switch helped, and I have normal CPU usage.
                  2021-10-12_142517.png

                  *Just in case, I tried to change the #angle-flag to D3D9 one more time in Experiments, but it doesn't affect.
                  --enable-features=D3D11VideoDecoderIgnoreWorkarounds doesn't help

                  **The log from 82 is need with --disable-features=D3D11VideoDecoder switch or without it?

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                  • burnout426
                    burnout426 Volunteer @andrew84 last edited by

                    @andrew84 said in Opera 81.0.4196.0 developer update:

                    The log from 82 is need with --disable-features=D3D11VideoDecoder switch or without it?

                    Without. But, you could show the log with it too just for good measure.

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                    • andrew84
                      andrew84 @burnout426 last edited by andrew84

                      @burnout426
                      O78 log https://textuploader.com/t5sqs
                      O82 log https://textuploader.com/t5sq5
                      O82 + switch log https://textuploader.com/t5sqr

                      *I can also add logs from laptop a bit later, if that matters. Laptop has i3 3110m which is Ivy Bridge family and also is mentioned in opera://gpu report

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                      • andrew84
                        andrew84 @andrew84 last edited by andrew84

                        @andrew84
                        logs from laptop
                        O78(Portable) https://textuploader.com/t5smn
                        O82 https://textuploader.com/t5smw

                        I also noticed that comparing to O78 in O82 there's CDM tab in media-internals.
                        And I noticed that on laptop there's win_x86 in the description and on Desktop PC win _x64 (both PCs are on win 8.1x64)
                        2021-10-13_010448.png
                        2021-10-13_011215.png

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                        • burnout426
                          burnout426 Volunteer @andrew84 last edited by

                          @andrew84 For the Opera that shows x86, I'd double-check in the task manager to make sure it's not a 32-bit Opera process. Besides that, not sure.

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                          • andrew84
                            andrew84 @burnout426 last edited by

                            @burnout426 Sorry, my bad.
                            Opera developer process was 32b bit for some reason on laptop. I didn't notice. But it was installed in Program files (not in Program files x86) and I always use autoupdate.

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                            • A Former User
                              A Former User @andrew84 last edited by

                              @andrew84 Everything is clear in the logs.
                              Judging by the desktop logs, O82 uses WMFVideoDecoder instead of VDAVideoDecoder for D3D11 due to the "Failed to initialize D3D11VideoDecoder" error. In this case, there is no hardware acceleration for the video.
                              With --disable-features = D3D11VideoDecoder everything is fine, VDAVideoDecoder is applied.
                              The laptop successfully uses VDAVideoDecoder with D3D11VideoDecoder.
                              In the Chromium bugtracker, I saw a mention of a similar problem. It looks like some chromium code changes may cause falling back from HW encoder to SW openh264 encoder for Intel graphics. But this is a side effect of solving another bug.
                              I did not see this problem directly in the chromium bugtracker.

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                              • andrew84
                                andrew84 @Guest last edited by andrew84

                                @johnd78 it's safe to use this switch --disable-features = D3D11VideoDecoder as a temporary solution or there are some limitations in this case? Or it's the same as without the h264ify extension?

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                                • A Former User
                                  A Former User @andrew84 last edited by

                                  @andrew84 It is absolutely safe to use the --disable-features = D3D11VideoDecoder switch. Regardless of the h264ify extension.

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                                  • andrew84
                                    andrew84 @Guest last edited by

                                    @johnd78 ok, thanks. I'll note this solution but I'll stay on 78 so far.

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                                    • A Former User
                                      A Former User @andrew84 last edited by

                                      @andrew84 It is still not clear why you have no problems in Chrome and Edge. The bug tracker mentioned that the latest codecs are added to the Chrome builds.

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                                      • burnout426
                                        burnout426 Volunteer last edited by

                                        @andrew84, dev would like you do produce a media-internals log in Chrome Canary (with h264ify and the same video). Thanks.

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                                        • burnout426
                                          burnout426 Volunteer @andrew84 last edited by

                                          @andrew84 Please uninstall it, delete the install folder, install the 64-bit version, and test again (if you haven't already) to see if there's any difference.

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                                          • A Former User
                                            A Former User @andrew84 last edited by

                                            @andrew84 Found a recent thread on the ixbt forum (Russian). Very similar to your problem with hardware H.264 decoding, I think related directly.

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