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Title bar?

  • Is there any plans for a proper title bar?
    It is really difficult to be productive in Opera in maximized window mode when working in a Remote Desktop environment.
    Yes it's very common these days when users are connecting to office computer etc.
    Remote Desktop title bar covers Opera tabs and it's not always an option to hide it.
    Also if the tabs are pinned then I don't see any page title.

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    Is it possible to implement a proper title bar that can be toggled on/off?

    Another question: What happened to "use system color on top bar"?

  • @ervin74 I don't see Opera or any major browser getting back a title bar anytime soon.

  • @leocg

    A proper title bar:

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  • You can unpin the remote desktop bar so that it does not block the view iirc.
    Also that last screenshot is it from the "old" firefox I suppose? I don't remember Quantum having that.
    Maybe some Firefox forks still have that look, from the Chromium based ones, in Vivaldi you can always see the title on the top if you put your tabs to the left/right/bottom.

  • @xirit32

    The last screenshot is from Firefox Quantum 59.

    I know that the remote desktop bar can be unpinned but there are scenarios where users are switching a lot between the remote desktop window and the local computer.

    I don't understand why Chromium based browsers cannot give the option to turn it on. How hard can it be?
    Who decides all this, really? Why be so narrow minded?

    I guess the future look bright for Mozilla. They seem listen more to the end users needs and real world scenarios.

  • @ervin74 Would the addition of a title bar worth the cost to do it? Would that many users be interested in it? Could it make a huge difference in help bringing new users to the browser and in keeping the current ones? Would it make sense to a software to have a title bar in that OS?
    Those are questions that should be made before adding something to a product.

  • @leocg

    I know what you mean but the big question is why wasn't the title bar implemented from very the beginning?
    Somebody tried to be clever, too clever I guess and now we are stucked with the consequences!
    After all the title bar is a common and familiar way to the windows user interface. It always have been.

  • What is the difference between having a selectable title bar in maximized mode and adjusting window size vertically on the current Opera version?

  • @ervin74 The title bar takes unnecessary vertical space, that's the main logic behind it I assume, in fact I think Opera was of the first (as it was always looking for ways to improve the user's ergonomy) to do it (maybe with Opera 9, don't remember very well now), and I suppose that your scenario does not apply to the majority of users. Also who knows about the future of Mozilla, if it was that good they wouldn't plain copy Chrome to reach a wider user base and be faster, Opera on the other hand was always blazing fast, which remains -despite their engine switch- still one of their "selling" points. They were blocking window pop-ads and gave people the possibility to custom block ads natively from inside the browser for the speed gain long before extensions in other browsers became popular.

  • @ervin74 Maybe because (almost) no one really cares about it? Or maybe because it doesn't make much sense to have one?

    Firefox doesn't have one, as well as Edge, at least by default and in FF I couldn't find anything in settings page to enable it, what probably means that it isn't something that many users want or need.

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  • @leocg
    Firefox has one! Take a look at the above screenshot. It has to be enabled but it has one.
    (In FF Menu => Customize = "Enable Title Bar")

  • @xirit32

    Nothing of what you wrote is some real arguments to not to have an optional title bar that can be turned on/off like in Firfox.
    There can be many scenarios when it's really needed to have one and It's not like it consumes 10000 lines of code.

  • Just checked and the other browsers have a title bar or between 5-10 seconds and I found options, found the option to enable the title bar and it was back. But browser or not is irrelevant, the title bar is the one consistent place you can use to move a window (of any kind of program) around on the desktop. This is my one daily use program that is no longer usable, there is no guarantee there is a spare area available to grab the browser and move it around (an area available to all programs/windows), so now I have to find it on the task bar make it the top window, then move it around.

    At least be like the other browsers and provide the option to restore this critical part of normal day to day desktop computing. For some of us the browser is but one of many programs we run on our computers, it is not the only program we run.

  • You can't drag a maximized window anyway - and if Opera is not maximized it has enough space above the tabs to drag the window. Sorry, but arguing on the basis of dragging is not applicable.

  • @sgunhouse there is not enough space above the tabs to click-and-drag the window around, at least on Ubuntu 16.04, the only space to click-and-drag is the space between the + tab button and the tab menu. I find this annoying for the same reasons as @dwelch mentioned. While I can change my habit to search for that small bit of clickable space, or use Alt+click to drag the window, every single other application on my machine has a title bar where I click the title bar to drag (or double click to maximize), so it doesn't make sense to interact with the Opera browser window in a different way. I am constantly moving windows around from different applications, so it is quite a nuisance to be unable to click and drag the Opera window - it really interrupts my work flow - almost to the point of making me want to switch browsers. Aesthetically it is also displeasing.

    As mentioned previously, Firefox, Chrome, Vivaldi all have options to enable the title bar. I see no reason why Opera shouldn't as well. It isn't a complicated option to implement.

  • It's not a place to show how good Software Engineer is by removing Title Bar and created something similar but hard to use. It's user experience & usage. (UI, UX). I could accept that someone still prefer to use LYNX, but not me.

    Computer is made to help people.

    The system (Gnome, Wayland, Mac, Window$) has its own Windows Manager system that people get used to it.
    Now I have problem to use Opera because the Title Bar was gone. Opera becomes a rebellion in among the applications. Hard to use.

    If Opera's developers wanted to show off programming skills, please have something that provides all compatible/synchronized functionalities as the Title Bar has (different system might have its own behaviour).

  • @alamyliu Looks like there were something happened, and the Opera update days ago still keeps the unfriendly design. I'm switching to Vivaldi (by old Opera developer).