Source for Opera's 51 million desktop users in Q4 2013?
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A Former User last edited by
The source are the quarterly reports:
http://www.operasoftware.com/company/investors/financeThe figure is probably based on downloads (If you download, you are deemed a user). Now I download each upgrade. I hope they are not counting me
ten times.
It's not based on downloads, it's based on active users (the number users checking for BrowserJS updates in a given period without counting them more than once). -
leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by
The figure is probably based on downloads (If you download, you are deemed a user). Now I download each upgrade. I hope they are not counting me
ten times.It's not based only on downloads, other aspects are taking in consideration too. Someone downloading from a old version of Opera mau not be counted as a new user but someone doing it with FF may be considered a new user.
And nowadays almost all software "calls home" from time to time, so it's kinda easy to check how many are active.
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lem729 last edited by
That statement "Even though it's not stated what it's based on, the fanboys know it's not based on downloads! It probably is though," is close to incomprehensible. It either is or it isn't
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A Former User last edited by
I'm of the school of thought that trolls shouldn't be fed. Just my own personal opinion.
Let's just try to get this thread back on track.
I've emailed someone at Opera (who knows if I'll get a response) and perhaps we can get some light shed on where that stat came from, and how it was arrived at.
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A Former User last edited by admin
I'll copy my comment from a previous discussion...
If you search the web How Opera counts active users?
You'll find this blog post by Haavard.
You'll find an old interview with Jon where he says how they count active users ("We have people checking of updates and that's when we count them.").
And also Bruce Lawson here in the comments.It's worth noting the big drop happened while Opera was still on Presto (60 m in Q1 2012 → 52 m in 2Q 2013).
Another fact is the Q4 2013 presentation telling us that in the desktop the new browser is holding more users than Presto. -
Deleted User last edited by
Speed, simplicity and customization ... and that in a nutshell explains why they've changed and why the so-called power users will never fully grasp or appreciate that shift in focus.
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A Former User last edited by
I'll copy my comment from a previous discussion...
If you search the web How Opera counts active users?
You'll find this blog post by Haavard.
You'll find an old interview with Jon where he says how they count active users ("We have people checking of updates and that's when we count them.").
And also Bruce Lawson here in the comments.
It's worth noting the big drop happened while Opera was still on Presto (60 m in Q1 2012 → 52 m in 2Q 2013).
Another fact is the Q4 2013 presentation telling us that in the desktop the new browser is holding more users than Presto.The first link was to a My Opera post that has been deleted. But I read the comments of Bruce and Jon. That settles it.
Fair enough, that sounds like a reasonable way to count users to me. At any rate, I'm hoping we can get some idea of how many users Opera is picking up, instead of simply comparing it to the number 12 months ago. Any service or product can have (1) fewer users than 12 months ago, but also (2) more users than 1-6 months ago. If all we are going by is these quarterly reports, the first we'll know of an uptick is 12 months after it starts (or thereabouts).
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linuxmint7 last edited by
Even though it's not stated what it's based on, the fanboys know it's not based on downloads!
It probably is though.Anyone with a working brain would come to the same conclusion, not only the ones you call fanboys.
Ah!, but that's what makes him unique, special even.
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lem729 last edited by
In a desktop mode, If you are updating the browser, you have at least opened it up. So you are a user, I would think. the updates are critical to the counting -- and so that interview with Jon says.
Perhaps in the mobile matket, if you bother to downoad the app . . . that ought to be the critical figure, because you have bothered to do an affirmative act. The downloads for Android and Apple devices often happen automatically, even without your opening/using the browser.
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A Former User last edited by
Speed, simplicity and customization ... and that in a nutshell explains why they've changed and why the so-called power users will never fully grasp or appreciate that shift in focus.
@leushino
Customization?
Sorry, I agree with you a lot of the time, but not on that!
Opera 15+ has only a tiny fraction of the customization options that Opera 12- had.
That's one of the main reasons why those of us who used those facilities consider Blink Opera, at least in that respect, to be a step backwards.
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Deleted User last edited by
Dave, those ware words from Bruce Lawson, one of the devs for the new browser. I should have given credit to the quote. I agree completely with your criticism, particularly when you pit the new version against the former. I suppose what is being touted along with simplicity and speed is the minimal customization in areas that are "generally viewed as important" to most users. Most users don't need to bookmark thousands of sites. Most users don't need sessions or tab stacking features. Most users would not care about panels and integrated email clients. Sticking with Presto meant continuing to cater to a small niche group of users and Opera made the decision that it was time to break free. In addition, sites were increasingly incompatible and to make the necessary coding corrections without breaking the browser with its infinite feature set (and all for such a small user base) was likely viewed as counter productive. That's my guess, mind you.
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lem729 last edited by
How about: Speed, simplicity, and greater acess to a wide range of extensions . . .
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Deleted User last edited by
Dave, those ware words from Bruce Lawson, one of the devs for the new browser. I should have given credit to the quote. I agree completely with your criticism, particularly when you pit the new version against the former. I suppose what is being touted along with simplicity and speed is the minimal customization in areas that are "generally viewed as important" to most users. Most users don't need to bookmark thousands of sites. Most users don't need sessions or tab stacking features. Most users would not care about panels and integrated email clients. Sticking with Presto meant continuing to cater to a small niche group of users and Opera made the decision that it was time to break free. In addition, sites were increasingly incompatible and to make the necessary coding corrections without breaking the browser with its infinite feature set (and all for such a small user base) was likely viewed as counter productive. That's my guess, mind you.
For a user without experience, the user would not use all the features of the browser, maybe Opera thought about them, and did a minimalist browser.
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A Former User last edited by
The first link was to a My Opera post that has been deleted.
Thx, I edited the link to point to the archived Haavard blog.Perhaps in the mobile matket, if you bother to downoad the app . . . that ought to be the critical figure, because you have bothered to do an affirmative act. The downloads for Android and Apple devices often happen automatically, even without your opening/using the browser.
Opera Mobile also checks for BrowserJS updates / phones home. How they're able to count Opera Mini users should be obvious. -
makavcio last edited by
Desktop Opera users:
20M: I'm sticking with Opera 12;
1M: I'm happily using the new Opera 15+;
30M: Oh, I thought it was that Chromyfox or Fire Chrome or whatever.
/troll
PS.
I had to use Firefox to edit this post. Opera couldn't handle it. -
A Former User last edited by
PS.
I had to use Firefox to edit this post. Opera couldn't handle it.
You could if you had reloaded the page, this is a known issue in the forum side not in the browser side.
