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Opera 20 - Another unhappy loyal supporter

  • I updated to Opera 21 yesterday and (if a user here is correct) I had Opera 16 before. It was at least before the design began looking like Chrome. Sure, it is fast and probably load pages better. But it does just feel like Chrome in the design and functions. I use Opera because I want Opera, not because I want a Chrome copy in both design and functions.

  • Look, it can use Chrome extensions, but it has some features that make it distinctly Opera. You lament functions lost -- presumably from Opera 16. What features do you want?

    You might want to look at this link where raffaelluik discusses differences between Opera and Chrome.

    https://forums.opera.com/post/31150

  • Look, it can use Chrome extensions, but it has some features that make it distinctly Opera. You lament functions lost -- presumably from Opera 16. What features do you want?
    You might want to look at this link where raffaelluik discusses differences between Opera and Chrome.
    https://forums.opera.com/post/31150

    I think that Opera 21 looks to much like Chrome. How the design and functions work. Some functions like bookmarks, recent tab trashcan, zoom window in right bottom isn't there anymore. There is some reasons why I never began using Chrome and those reasons seems to make me leave Opera as those things seems to have been included in Opera today.

  • I updated to Opera 21 yesterday and (if a user here is correct) I had Opera 16 before. It was at least before the design began looking like Chrome. ...

    FYI, the Opera version you previously had was most probably 12.16. Opera versions 7 through 12.xx all used the Presto rendering engine, and that contributed greatly to Opera's long-time "feel" and customizability. Versions 13 and 14 were not released as desktop browsers. Starting with version 15 (and since), Opera versions have all used the Blink rendering engine, and Blink's lineage descends from Chromium and Chrome... which gives it its Chrome-like "feel". (Just for the record.)

  • @4o3werfsfjsdlkq234we

    I think that Opera 21 looks to much like Chrome. How the design and functions work. Some functions like bookmarks, recent tab trashcan, zoom window in right bottom isn't there anymore. There is some reasons why I never began using Chrome and those reasons seems to make me leave Opera as those things seems to have been included in Opera today.

    There's more bookmarking in Opera 20 than you could dream about in any other browser -- from the Speed Dial with folders to the Personal bookmarks toolbar, Stash, and various and sundry bookmark manager extensions in the Opera and Chrome extension stores. The ability to store bookmarks is a damned abundance of riches. I've had on my browser and explored Firefox, Chrome, and Internet explorer 11 and, in my view, in terms of being able to store bookmarks, none of them come close to Opera 21.

    As for the trashcan, you might want to Install Sexy Undo Closed Tab from the Chrome store which has more functionality for undoing closed tabs than Opera 12 ever had. I use it in my browser. Also, Browse ++ in the Opera Store gives you a trash can for undoing closed tabs, as well as a notes function. I also have used it.

    As for zooming, i like simply using the keyboard shortcut O , and 9 for making text and images smaller. You can get them by clicking on advanced features for your shortcuts. I tend to think there are extensions that can give you more.

    If you want to leave Opera, so be it, but i haven't heard a reason from you that, to me, sounds very compelling. Opera 21 may have a Chrome-like feel, but it also has highly significant differences in features. Now for sure, some users have special needs that make opera 21 a less than perfect fit. I can understand that. That's why I asked what features concern you. I haven't heard one that doesn't make me think that for sure, Opera 21 would be for you an excellent, highly satisfactory browser of choice. While everyone makes his or her own choice, you say you just updated yesterday. You might want to spend a bit more time. If you do, i think, you may well find yourself pleasantly surprised with how well the new Opera, which is faster than the old, and accesses sites significantly better, functions for you

  • lem729 - Properly working, minimalistic and not green (Add Bookmark doesn't indicate whether you already have particular website in bookmarks or not, I've also changed the icon by myself, but...) "add bookamrk" button outside the bookmarks bar, bookmarks extension similar to neaterbookamrks... We have Smart RSS as well as Classic Tabs and RSS Detector but such basic functions sholud be provided by Opera too. I understand that they removed torrents, e-mail, I don't miss much functions like autorefresh too, and I really appreciate and use stash and even folders in speed dial (currently I've two folders there :)) and it's good, especially for Opera popularization, that some people can use extensions like feedly, evernote etc, but I don't get why Opera is so stubborn and don't see that at least some of us don't want to get all Opera 12 features back. We only want some basic functionality, a bit more of it. 🙂

  • I'm a firefox defector but I have to say... I liked the control and customization of what I was using and there's some things going on here that I'm really not used to. This can't be the browser that I've heard so many good things about, and I would like to know how to get a hold of version 12. Just as I was clicking an "unsubscribe" button in an email I had doubts about, something claiming to be an update to my opera browser popped up and I've repeatedly shut it down in task manager. You know this is a day and age when netiquette is pretty much out the window (LOL of course you know!) and you never know when something isn't what it represents itself to be. Maybe just bad timing, but the "X" in the top right corner of this thing was grayed out and nonfunctioning so I wasn't having it.

  • @mdjkh: wtf?! Stop spamming posts! You're banned for now.

    [edit: I reactivated your profile again. If that's going to repeat itself, I will shut it down for good!]

  • @lem729 - Thanks for all elements you gave me.
    I will take a look at Chrome extension and check what I can do with Opera 21 + extensions.

    Max

  • @herrpietrus

    On news feeds, I've really been enjoying Feedly lately. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/feedly/ndhinffkekpekljifjkkkkkhopnjodja?hl=en
    If you have't tried it yet, check it out.

    @maximiliennoireaut

    Great, it takes some adjusting/playing around with different extensions to find what you might like. It's easy to uninstall something, if after you tried it, you find that you're not using it. So it's no big deal testing. You can also make an extension inactive. It's kinda fun 😉 to explore all that's out there -- both the Opera extensions, and those in the Chrome store.

  • ... I would like to know how to get a hold of version 12. Just as I was clicking an "unsubscribe" button in an email I had doubts about, something claiming to be an update to my opera browser popped up and I've repeatedly shut it down in task manager. You know this is a day and age when netiquette is pretty much out the window (LOL of course you know!) and you never know when something isn't what it represents itself to be. Maybe just bad timing, but the "X" in the top right corner of this thing was grayed out and nonfunctioning so I wasn't having it.

    You can download older Opera versions (based on the Presto engine) directly from Opera's ftp server at: ftp://ftp.opera.com/pub/opera/win/
    Older Opera versions can coexist on the same computer as newer Opera versions without mutual interference.

    The newer Opera versions (based on the Blink engine) have built-in automatic updating, and there aren't any user controls to block such updating. However, one way to force a block to future updates is to manually rename the opera_update.exe file to something else (like opera_update.xxx). Note that you will have to be sure to do that for each new installation... and, as always, only rename Opera files while Opera is shut down.

    Also be aware that once you start an update process in any program in Windows, part of the updater mechanism can sometimes lodge somewhere in Windows and be a bit difficult to halt its nagging, even after you kill the updater per se. If that turns out to be the case for you, somebody knowledgeable about such things will have to inform you how to stop it from persisting, once started. I seem to recall running across a thread or two here on that subject, so you might want to try a forum search if it turns out to be the case for your situation.

  • Stick with 12.16. You'll be happier.

    What's with v21? Mine says v12.17 and I'm up-to-date...

    [Mod note: I removed your duplicate posts across other threads in the forum.]

  • @gdnctr

    Opera switched browser engines from Opera Presto to Opera Blink. The last version of Opera Presto is 12.17. Opera Blink started at version 15, and is now at Opera 21 (for a stable version). Opera permits a download of both Opera Presto and Opera Blink from its website. If you have Opera 12.17, it will, I understand, not update to Opera Blink. Now Opera is committed to working on Opera Blink. It is not working on Opera Presto anymore. That browser (Presto), while it has many wonderful features is a bit outdated, and has trouble rending some sites. Opera blink is faster, renders sites better, and is more a minimalist browser (with basic functions)as well as certain wonderfully unique features (a Speed dial where you can add folders of urls/landmarks for each position of the dial)(there is no browser on the internet with Speed Dial quite like this one), Stash, a Discover feature, Off Road Mode, and more. In Opera 21, most customization is gotten through extensions. With one Opera Extension, "Download Chrome Extension," Opera 21 users can download and install almost any extension in the Chrome store. And there are a lot of amazing customization opportunities there! Of course, extensions in the Opera store are also still available. Instead of bundling features in the new Opera 21 browser (many of which most users might never user), Opera is opting for providing generally basic features in this leaner, faster browser, as well as some of the new super creative extras (like the wonderful Speed Dial) and letting users decide which add-ons they want to install on their browser to provide the necessary customization. And you can stay with Opera 12.17 (because you may like features there that cannot be completely replicated in Opera 21 even with extensions), or install Opera 21 (and with extensions end up doing more in some areas than you could ever have done before with Opera 12.17. You can even download Opera 21, and use it and Opera 12.17 simultaneously until you can decide which you prefer.

    Here's a link to Opera 21 for download. http://blogs.opera.com/desktop/2014/05/opera-21-desktop-released-aura-powered/

  • @gdnctr
    Opera switched browser engines from Opera Presto to Opera Blink. The last version of Opera Presto is 12.17. Opera Blink started at version 15, and is now at Opera 21 (for a stable version). Opera permits a download of both Opera Presto and Opera Blink from its website. If you have Opera 12.17, it will, I understand, not update to Opera Blink. Now Opera is committed to working on Opera Blink. It is not working on Opera Presto anymore. That browser (Presto), while it has many wonderful features is a bit outdated, and has trouble rending some sites. Opera blink is faster, renders sites better, and is more a minimalist browser (with basic functions)as well as certain wonderfully unique features (a Speed dial where you can add folders of urls/landmarks for each position of the dial)(there is no browser on the internet with Speed Dial quite like this one), Stash, a Discover feature, Off Road Mode, and more. In Opera 21, most customization is gotten through extensions. With one Opera Extension, "Download Chrome Extension," Opera 21 users can download and install almost any extension in the Chrome store. And there are a lot of amazing customization opportunities there! Of course, extensions in the Opera store are also still available. Instead of bundling features in the new Opera 21 browser (many of which most users might never user), Opera is opting for providing generally basic features in this leaner, faster browser, as well as some of the new super creative extras (like the wonderful Speed Dial) and letting users decide which add-ons they want to install on their browser to provide the necessary customization. And you can stay with Opera 12.17 (because you may like features there that cannot be completely replicated in Opera 21 even with extensions), or install Opera 21 (and with extensions end up doing more in some areas than you could ever have done before with Opera 12.17. You can even download Opera 21, and use it and Opera 12.17 simultaneously until you can decide which you prefer.
    Here's a link to Opera 21 for download. http://blogs.opera.com/desktop/2014/05/opera-21-desktop-released-aura-powered/

    Now I understand. Thanks so much for the reply!

  • Hi
    I am on opera 21.0.1432.57 and using opera since version 6.
    With every new version my tolerance for opera is diminishing.
    I mis the ready out of the box old opera, with my simple bookmark en the other above mentioned tools.
    I can do without the stash, discovery and speeddial.
    I do not want to spent time studying extentions.
    At the moment i have to make do, out of loyalty to my history with opera.
    But, at this rate, my patience will run out.

  • Last question. My Dad's v12.16 now has light green page backgrounds on all websites, and the html/xhtml-css isn't rendering properly. It's basically useless, so I've had to switch him over to FF and Chrome. We've been using Opera since 2009 and have Speed-dial customized, so we hate to lose it on his lapper. My desk unit's working fine; his is the problem, just as of yesterday 5/9. Any suggestions?

  • Last question. My Dad's v12.16 now has light green page backgrounds on all websites, and the html/xhtml-css isn't rendering properly. It's basically useless, so I've had to switch him over to FF and Chrome. We've been using Opera since 2009 and have Speed-dial customized, so we hate to lose it on his lapper. My desk unit's working fine; his is the problem, just as of yesterday 5/9. Any suggestions?

    Yes, give a chance to New Opera

  • @gdnctr

    As sidneyneto says, try Opera 21. If your father likes a speed dial, this one is better than ever, because you can drag one link position over another and create a folder of items for one speed dial position. If he has to reset the speed dial in Opera 21, there aren't that many links in the Opera 12 speed dial, so it shouldn't be that hard to re-customize it. But with the ability to create folders of items for one position, he can have at his fingertips in the speed dial a lot more..

  • My Dad's v12.16 now has light green page backgrounds on all websites, and the html/xhtml-css isn't rendering properly.
    CSS User Mode display or User Custom CSS or JS was probably enabled, unless that's a new bug. http://www.opera.com/docs/usercss/

    BTW "Presto-based Opera had become overloaded with features, a number of them confusing rather than helping our users" 😛

  • All I know: I recently bought a new laptop that came with win8. The first thing I did was go and get Opera.

    I have been using Opera forever. Most recently was of course v.12*.

    In the short time I have had the new system I have learned 2 major things:

    1. I absolutely hate win8
    2. Opera 21 is not far behind that feeling.

    It is pretty much useless to me. Everything that made me switch to Opera those many years ago are gone.

    Sure, a faster browser is nice, but not at the cost of everything else. I just want to set the browser to my liking. I DO NOT want to have to "build" the browser myself.

    Like others have stated...it is to the point that we might as well just go with the competition if we are expected to use their software to try and make Opera 21 more functional for us.

    It's sad for me. I have not used another browser for many years.

    This is just not working for me.

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