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I Officially Quit Using Opera Today

  • So why quit Opera if the crash trigger is system RAM-related and not Opera browser-related? Get all the extra RAM you can for the system by borrowing from unused hard drive space or removable drive space.

  • Get all the extra RAM you can for the system by borrowing from unused hard drive space or removable drive space.

    That is not how that works.

  • scottmccarthy945

    Out of interest, the PC with Opera on, is that a PC that has been upgraded to Win10 from say Win7 or Win8?

  • A couple responses to the discussion above. First, I have Opera on multiple computers - some with Windows 10 and others with Windows 7 and 8. Opera runs the worst on the Windows 10 machines so I am guessing there are still some code issues they need to sort out. Someone else made a comment about having issues on Windows 10 and I see most of the issues there.

    The crashing is not my biggest issue as I know the crashing and compatibility issues will get solved. My biggest issue is compatibility because it is such a waist of time working on a site only to realize the submit button won't submit your form and you have to re-type the entire thing in Firefox or IE.

    I am not sure what the solution is to the compatibility issues but this has plagued Opera for years now. Their compatibility used to be awful and to their credit, it has greatly improved. I know most sites are not going to bother making them Opera compatible since it has such a small market share but maybe they could setup a team and offer to test and certify sites for free as incentive for developers to make the sites compatible. Maybe the team could help point out issues and direct people how to make the sites compatible.

    I know it's a great browser - I just wish the compatibility issues would be resolved.

  • Running Opera on Windows 10 here without any issues whatsoever. You must have other problems going on to be experiencing problems such as you're relating.

  • Could someone from Opera developer team confirm that they know about this problem with Opera freezing in Windows 10?

  • Could someone from Opera developer team confirm that they know about this problem with Opera freezing in Windows 10?

    Opera developers usually don't come here often.

    There ate some reports about freezes and crashes so i guess they know about it.

  • I know most sites are not going to bother making them Opera compatible since it has such a small market share but maybe they could setup a team and offer to test and certify sites for free as incentive for developers to make the sites compatible. Maybe the team could help point out issues and direct people how to make the sites compatible.

    Testing a browser isn't the issue. It's rummaging around in the code, trying to spot and correct problems whilst making sure you don't end up breaking something in another browser that's the main issue. Unfortunately, a lot of developers clearly see no gain in investing the time in Opera as it isn't one of the big four browsers. They get around this (as @lando242 says in his post) by adding a message telling you your browser is incompatible.

    Also, just so you know, I mainly use Opera on a Mac laptop running OSX 10.9.5 and have never had the browser crash. Could this be a Windows issue? As for iPad, that's a different story as it crashes all the time when I use (or used to use) it.

  • Its funny, some people have nothing but issues with Opera and Windows 10 and some people have none. I have none. Its my primary browser, I leave it running for days at a time, it comes back from multiple sleep/hibernation cycles, and I currently have 8 windows and 55 tabs open. Couple three times a week I read a bunch of webcomics which means I open about 100-150 tabs at a time and cycle through 468 tabs every quickly (so says my webcomics folder). Opera chugs right alone without an issue. I have 7 extensions activated and, outside of making Flash click to play because of annoying autoplay videos and ads with sound, I haven't done much else to it.

  • From what I've picked up on various other forums, many of the Win10-related 'application' problems seem to occur on systems that were upgraded from Win7 or Win8.1 - especially those on older hardware. In many of those cases, the problems cleared after a clean install of Win10 and reinstallation of everything else. In other cases, the problems cleared with the installation of alternate drivers (sometimes a hardware maker's latest, sometimes the MS-recommended versions), in particular video/GPU drivers. I realize a fresh, clean install of an OS is not for the timid, but a massive OS upgrade of an existing OS containing all kinds of hooks and customizations is a path begging for problems, and many are experiencing it. Just something to keep in mind..

  • My system is an upgrade of 8.1.

  • Your story is pretty interesting, thanks a bunch. I have been using Opera for a long time, also, perhaps more than 6 years (since version 8, when they made it free) and I hanged to Opera 12 for a while until I found Opera 24 or something was as good as 12. I still use Opera Mail.

    My story is very different: I have three laptops only, no smartphone, one of them a very light Windows 7 Home computer (I have no idea what processor it has, but it was dirt cheap), a very potent Windows 7, rather old laptop with an i7 and NVidia, and I received at work a couple of weeks ago a Windows 10 ASUS, also an i7 with Nvidia with a fresh OS installation.

    In all those systems I have had no freeze or compatibility problems. The little laptop I mentioned is the one that surprises me more: with a very light RAM and a very poor processor, Opera shines over Firefox or Chrome, specially if you install in those browsers the equivalents of all the bells and whistles Opera has accustomed me to.

    I checked some of the pages you mention (most I haven't heard about) and I found no problems, probably because I just browsed them quickly without delving into them. I'm curious and probably will check again in depth, because I still have to find a page with lack of compatibility since I moved up from Opera 12. I imagined that the lack of compatibility problems happened because now Opera has the same engine as Chrome, so your story is quite a surprise to me.

    I conccur with you on one thing: I also think that the communication between users and developers is very limited and that's an issue that perhaps could be solved in other way, maybe by including some kind of reporting system that is readily visible and solves problems for people in your situation.

    Frankly, Opera has always been a time saver for me instead of the pit of despair any software becomes when it takes your time away.

    Opera has been, to me, a quick and rock solid way to browse the Internet. I wonder if I'm lucky or perhaps I don't use the browser so intensively as you, although I'm a developer for a GIS leader internation company. This means I routinely extract till the last drop of graphic capabilities the browser has.

    I program in JavaScript and Python and I have to use all the console tricks there are. I also have to create maps that use RAM in a huge way, with tons of objects and pretty heavy interaction with users.

    However, I work as a Solutions Engineer, which means I have to diagnose the situation of potential buyers of the GIS we sell at our company. This had make me aware of, when you want to earn market share, how important is to take care of customers listening to them and reacting quickly to issues that become viral, like the ones mentioned in this thread (i.e. lack of compatibility in Win7/10 updates). This has to be dealt off quickly.

    My experience about time wasted in Opera is very different: I'm used to other fellow workers watching occasionally how I use Opera and 5 out of 10 times the question is always the same: "how do you do that?".

    I also wanted to comment that, although Opera is not that relevant in market share of PCs, that situation is not entirely true in smartphones, AFAIK, as it has half the users of Android Browser and way more than Firefox or IE (and the future is in that market, apparently).

    So, I guess in life "everything is of the colour of the crystal you use to look at it", as Calderón de la Barca said.

    I wonder what browser you will be using from now on. Could you tell us and, perhaps, in a few days comment about site compatibility? As they say, nobody (and no browser) is perfect.

    Another question I have: have you experienced the same problems in Opera Mini as in Opera for PC?

    Thanks in advance for any comments about Mini: I'm planning on buying a smartphone next week, after years of not needing one.

  • Another question I have: have you experienced the same problems in Opera Mini as in Opera for PC?
    Thanks in advance for any comments about Mini: I'm planning on buying a smartphone next week, after years of not needing one.

    I guess you may have better luck if you ask on the Opera Mini forum.

  • I for one have never, ever had Opera crash... CHROME? All the friggin time...

  • corona, my experience with latest Opera mimics yours.

  • I take back what I said --- after getting no response on bug reports, I'm also done. Back to buggy Chrome, but at least it works

  • after getting no response on bug reports

    Well, as clearly said in the e-mail confirmation you get when reporting a bug, they will not respond unless more info about the issue is needed.

  • i've been using opera as my primary browser sine the very beginning, when it was invitation only. i rarely had problems. these days, i'm using windows 8.1 and opera 34. opera is constantly crashing, and i can't figure it out. it's not ram, i have tons of ram, and my computer is new-ish, and pretty powerful. it's really annoying, i wish someone would fix it.

  • Can we find something common for crashing systems? For example I just installed fresh W10(1511) on new hardware - no problems whatsoever (at least not for the first 4 days of active use).

    Generic troubleshooting - describe your PC/Windows, including:

    • is it fresh W10 install or upgrade from W7/W8.1 [fresh for me]
    • W10 version, home/pro, locale [1511, pro oem, english]
    • desktop/laptop/tablet [desktop]
    • what kind of graphics hardware you have got [intel/cpu i5]
    • network connection - lan cable/wifi/mobile, router [lan cable + router]
    • what kind of 3rd party antivirus software you are using [none]
    • have you ever seen any other unexplained hangs/crashes/bluescreens on your hardware (even before W10 installation) [no]
    • if yes, what programs were affected (IE, chrome - whatever else) [n/a]
  • I forgot few troubleshooting questions:

    • opera version [36.0.2120.0 dev]
    • does it crash without extensions (= private mode) [n/a]
    • does it crash without active plugins (set plugins to activate with click) [no]
    • does it crash while plugins are active (videos in background etc) [n/a]
    • does it crash with html5 videos [n/a]