OLD IS GOLD, we want new opera with all old stuff
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Deleted User last edited by
I completely agree with you, cozza. Nice to read a positive and factual post relating to the new browser. I'm hopeful new features will continue to attract a broader user base.
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meridivs last edited by
Finally a really useful and informative comment in a long time... not.
Wonder what part of that recent 1.23% from 3% user base is so hard to grasp.
Soon you will be the only guys talking, to themselves, around here but that's not a problem since you like it so much.
Au revoir!
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blackbird71 last edited byLastpass a few years ago had one (and only one) incursion in which one of their servers "appeared" compromised which it turned out that it was not. In its years of operation there has never been a loss of passwords which is something most sites cannot lay claim to. As far as I'm concerned, LP is perfectly safe (about as safe as anything stored on one's own PC) and I have no qualms about using its services.
Well, there is one point, which bothers me: I live in Germany and according to the experience with US-Procedures (NSA, outspying of data etc.). it makes me a headache, as the LastPass-Servers are certainly in the USA and I do not trust their security.
But, according to my findings there is currently no better password control system im place and therefore I will have to live with.Life can be full of tough choices. One of them is how to keep secret things... uhmm... secret. Each time a secret "thing" is passed to someone else, it drags in an entire galaxy of potential problems. To name just a few:
- how trustworthy is the new custodian
- how trusworthy is the method of transferring a copy of the "thing" to him and retrieving it later
- how trustworthy are his storage methods
- how trustworthy are his internal handling mechanisms and personnel
- how trustworthy will all of it be tomorrow (if he sells his organization or comes under new local legal/political constraints where he has his operations - or where he may have moved them after you entrusted him with your secrets).
Only you can decide where the "sweet spot" lies between paranoia and total insecurity, for you and what you're trying to protect (which includes not just the passwords, but the contents of whatever they're accessing). Just be aware that passwords to online accounts and such are not the only (or perhaps even greatest) concern if you're truly worried about "them" watching or snooping. Your Internet traffic patterns, the data traffic itself, and the integrity of your own computer/software are all up for grabs if an attacker is sufficiently motivated and possesses adequate resources (including quid-pro-quo agreements with other attackers).
Since your online behavior is already largely "on the grid", for most users' online passwords, there isn't that much additional risk contributed by storing them online with a reasonably secure site like LastPass. On the other hand, if there is indeed a password that you absolutely, positively cannot allow to be intercepted or betrayed, then you should never entrust it to anything associated with a publicly-accessible network like the Internet.
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lem729 last edited by
I liked the old Opera (presto) on this password feature because your password data was kept on your computer. They had the wand feature, and it worked pretty well, and looked great.. I am concerned about a password manager in cyberspace. In the US we had that Target breach where myriads of users had credit card and other information stolen. I'm hoping that Opera 20 improves what it provides -- does more to duplicate what it had in versions of Opera Presto.. I can't believe this is a Blink versus Presto issue. If people want to use a password manager in the cloud somewhere, fine. But it would be nice if Opera offered more than it currently does for those who want their password data kept secure on their computer.
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leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by
I liked the old Opera (presto) on this password feature because your password data was kept on your computer.
It hasn't changed, the password are still kept on the user's computer.
I can't believe this is a Blink versus Presto issue. If people want to use a password manager in the cloud somewhere, fine. But it would be nice if Opera offered more than it currently does for those who want their password data kept secure on their computer.
And what more should be offered by the password manager?
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Deleted User last edited by
Old is not gold (and in truth... it never was as attested to by 3% market share). Old is simply... old.It no longer renders many sites properly and is becoming increasingly questionable in terms of security. I know we have been told that security patches would be offered and nothing to the contrary has been posted since, but we also know that no development of the browser suite is forthcoming and one has to wonder when the security patches will cease. No, old is not gold.
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Deleted User last edited by
I'm guessing the main complaints about new Opera are with the lack of features because Opera themselves have said they needed to switch to a new engine as the old one was far too time consuming to maintain and hindered any innovation - that and the major rendering issues. The fact that it uses the same engine as Chrome means there's a strong likelihood that major companies sites will be compatible. Opera simply would not be here now if they hadn't made the change. I'm confident the front end will grow in a completely different direction to Chrome.
For me this is the first Opera in a long time I can actually use. Sites now render correctly and there are enough features to keep me happily browsing whilst patiently waiting for new ones.Old is not gold (and in truth... it never was as attested to by 3% market share). Old is simply... old.It no longer renders many sites properly and is becoming increasingly questionable in terms of security. I know we have been told that security patches would be offered and nothing to the contrary has been posted since, but we also know that no development of the browser suite is forthcoming and one has to wonder when the security patches will cease. No, old is not gold.
.>I agree with both of you. The old Opera was getting rusty, I mean is was not with the new browsing technology. If Opera ASA had continued to use Presto, it would get more and more incompatible with new technology.
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vitralizer last edited by
And what exactly sets this Webkit browser apart from the rest? What makes it special? What makes it different? Because it just looks like Chromium with a couple of built-in extensions and a theme. Why even bother? And the quality of the extensions can't even compare to those on Chrome Web Store, let alone Firefox Addons. This is a huge mistake.
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vitralizer last edited by
Old is not gold (and in truth... it never was as attested to by 3% market share). Old is simply... old.It no longer renders many sites properly and is becoming increasingly questionable in terms of security. I know we have been told that security patches would be offered and nothing to the contrary has been posted since, but we also know that no development of the browser suite is forthcoming and one has to wonder when the security patches will cease. No, old is not gold.
Perhaps, but to justify change, it has to be BETTER.
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Deleted User last edited by
Here's why I like it:
It's faster and more compatible than the former versions with today's websites. It's still under development so there is more to come. It has speed dial and stash both of which set it apart from Google Chrome. I do not trust Google nor do I appreciate their cavalier attitude regarding my privacy. I do not appreciate Mozilla's regard for freedom of speech (i.e. the forcing of Branden Eich from his CEO position). Opera does what I need so I'm very happy with it.
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rainspa last edited by
From what I've read here we can't have Opera with all the old stuff, not a side bar like Presto's anyway, but for now we still have Presto, It has a few problems but it always had, it did when I started using it. The new Opera is OK for basic browsing, nothing special to mark it out in my opinion but that's the way its turned out. If there's functions you need best thing is to try and find them somewhere else as Opera Blink, it being in development, they might be a long time in coming.
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funksoulbro last edited by
"And what more should be offered by the password manager?"
The password manager in Chropera isn't as good as the one in Opera. You can't save multiple logins for the same site. The wand in Opera does more than just saving usernames and passwords. Also, it's a simple 1 click login directly from the taskbar.
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Deleted User last edited by
The new Opera is bunk and I am not the only one that thinks this obviously. If we wanted to use chromium we would use Google Chrome. Google Chrome sucks!
Opera is taking the wrong direction and they know it!
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Deleted User last edited by
For one-click log-ins, you can use the Lastpass extension.
Rainspa, it's true that Opera Blink is not Opera Presto. It was never meant to be so or else they would simply have upgraded the Presto engine and continued its development. According to what Haavard told us, the developers were the ones who pushed to dump Presto so it was not purely a business decision. What really can be said? If you "need" Opera Presto, then continue to use it as has been suggested now for months. It's still serviceable although that situation will obviously not last forever. And since Opera Blink is still being developed and "is" actually changing, why not run it alongside Opera Presto? There's no need to opt for Firefox or Chrome at this point since you've been an Opera user all along. I don't see the reason for jumping to another browser "at this time."
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Deleted User last edited by
The new Opera is bunk and I am not the only one that thinks this obviously. If we wanted to use chromium we would use Google Chrome. Google Chrome sucks!
Opera is taking the wrong direction and they know it!Yes... we've heard your Opera sucks, Opera is lousy, Opera is bunk a thousand times now. You're leaving for this browser and you're never going to use Opera again. So... go already. Why stick around and keep mouthing the same message like a broken record?
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leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by
"And what more should be offered by the password manager?"
The password manager in Chropera isn't as good as the one in Opera. You can't save multiple logins for the same site. The wand in Opera does more than just saving usernames and passwords. Also, it's a simple 1 click login directly from the taskbar.You can save multiple logins fir the same site.
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rainspa last edited by
@ leushino,
I have Opera Next and I keep an eye on it but it just doesn't work for me. If it was just general browsing I'd probably be happy with it, excepting the bookmarking that is. Presto's always had a bookmark bar, I never liked or used it. What I use the browser for the sidebar, notes and bookmarks, have become essential. I can find bookmark sidebars in other browsers but for me notes are irreplaceable, that's why I'm sticking with Presto. If Blink ever managed to put Stash in an auto-hide sidebar I could adapt to that but that's not likely. -
colderwinters last edited by
I suppose you use an old washing board to do your laundry, instead of a new automatic.
And you've got a fridge where you put the block of ice in it to keep everything cold.
Use candles and metho lamps to light your house,
and a car that you have to start with a crank handle.
If you want new features and new ways of doing things, you've got to let go of the past.
You use Opera because they come up with new ways of doing things before the others, stop whinging, or go back to internet explorer 4.This argument doesnt make any sense, the new opera IS like using a washing board, Like the PC World review states you have to jump through hoops just to do what other browsers do in one click, It's like trading your 2014 caddilac for a clunky 56 buick and we dont have to let go of the past, just about any other browser out there does more than this 56 buick does
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username342342345 last edited by
The idea to use the blink engine was a good one, they now have google working for them instead of against them. The problem is that they no longer consider customization a priority. I can't say for everyone, but for me the main reason I use opera (12) is because I can customize anything about the browser, from position of the back button, to where and how many search bars, address bars etc. Right now I cannot even get a menu bar to show up in the new version.
Currently IE6 is more customizable than Opera 20.
They need to go back and recreate the drag and drop buttons of the old UI, but I see the current culture at opera is leaning more towards the fisher price walled garden approach than giving people the creative choice to make it their own. I find that really sad.
