Title bar ignores Windows setting, but Chrome obeys it!
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blackbird71 last edited by blackbird71@hucker said in Title bar ignores Windows setting, but Chrome obeys it!:
... We used to have options, we could customize windows. There's no need to take away basic stuff like that.
Keep in mind that every software contol "option" requires code to support it - at least two paths toward two other chunks of code, each implementing their respective "choice". Each piece of new code takes resources to write, debug, and maintain. Optional code paths create tree-branches in code, all of which accumulate to geometrically complicate the possible overall functional operations of the code. The more complex the code tree, the more difficult it is to maintain and upgrade portions of it without affecting other paths and parts of the tree.
The end result is that there is constant pressure on developers to simplify their code whenever an opportunity arises... often at the expense of removing choices deemed lesser-used or of lesser importance. If the removed choice was never used by a user, that user couldn't care less about its removal; if it was used, then removal results in inconvenience or worse to that user. NOTE: this is not to say that developers necessarily "get it right" in all this... only that this is the explanation often underlying such "change".
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donq last edited by
@hucker As much as I agree with you, unfortunately we can't have best of old and new paradigms at the same time. Like blackbird71 said, every little change in any software needs work - and to satisfy old-timers (like us) is unfortunately not developers priority. New (but usually privacy violating) cool features may attract more people and generate some additional revenue; fixing titlebar color will not.
Of course it would be great if Opera could obey windows color scheme/theme - but this likely doesn't attract any new users to Opera (and does not alienate old users either) and gives no financial gain to them anyway.
I for example am using paid e-mail desktop program, both at home and at work; I hate customer servers, where active and inactive windows both have white titlebars without any border and I have no time to reconfigure that (try to navigate between dozen of file explorers and notepads this way); sure I have installed 3-rd party shell application to mimic older windows start menu and other options; no, I have not installed windows 11 - and so on and so on; I just don't think Opera forums are best place to cry about that
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donq last edited by
@leocg said in Title bar ignores Windows setting, but Chrome obeys it!:
... Hmm, it seems that someone has some difficulties in adapting to changes ...
Why would everyone always need to adapt to every change? Computer is a tool (at least for me), like hammer - I would not welcome, if someone for example coloured my hammer blue purely 'by esthetical reasons' or something. You may ask, what difference blue hammer makes - but I can't find it afterwards, because I know without thinking that it is (has always been) orange and I look for orange thing. Sure I can adapt to new state of things, but why should I? It takes time and generates stress.
(I likely would buy me a new orange hammer - but as it always happens, there are no more orange hammers available... Same situation in software world.)Well, no more crying here
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burnout426 Volunteer last edited by
@hucker said in Title bar ignores Windows setting, but Chrome obeys it!:
Are you saying to enable being able to put tabs on it, they had to not set up a normal title bar, then had to simulate all the title bar functions? It certainly behaves as one in every other way, like double clicking it to maximise.
Kind of. I'm saying to have the tab bar be at the top of the window, the title bar can't be showing. Then, since the title bar isn't showing, the tab bar needs to double as a title bar by supporting some of the things a real title bar does. In Opera's case, the tab bar doesn't support the system color stuff that you like.
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hucker last edited by
@leocg said in Title bar ignores Windows setting, but Chrome obeys it!:
@hucker Offers and notifications like I said.
I used to get over 100 email messages in a day ten years ago but now I get 10, 20 percent of it.
You are most unusual, everyone I know uses email more than before. It's the easiest way for any friend/relative/company to contact you.
@leocg said in Title bar ignores Windows setting, but Chrome obeys it!:
@hucker I'm a normal person, I won't freak out or be bothered because some milliseconds of difference.
A lot more than milliseconds, more like half a second.
@leocg said in Title bar ignores Windows setting, but Chrome obeys it!:
@hucker I didn't say that.
Didn't say what? You didn't quote anything.
@leocg said in Title bar ignores Windows setting, but Chrome obeys it!:
@hucker Lots of people use only one monitor.
That would be luddites.
@leocg said in Title bar ignores Windows setting, but Chrome obeys it!:
@hucker Like I said, I don't care.
About?
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hucker last edited by
@donq said in Title bar ignores Windows setting, but Chrome obeys it!:
Of course it would be great if Opera could obey windows color scheme/theme - but this likely doesn't attract any new users to Opera (and does not alienate old users either) and gives no financial gain to them anyway.
It alienates me. And surely it's part of Windows anyway, to deliberately disobey the Windows setting must take more work.
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hucker last edited by
@burnout426 said in Title bar ignores Windows setting, but Chrome obeys it!:
Kind of. I'm saying to have the tab bar be at the top of the window, the title bar can't be showing. Then, since the title bar isn't showing, the tab bar needs to double as a title bar by supporting some of the things a real title bar does. In Opera's case, the tab bar doesn't support the system color stuff that you like.
Why didn't they put the tab bar under the title bar? In fact that just annoyed me today, I had Opera with tabs right across. No "title bar" left to drag the window!
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burnout426 Volunteer last edited by
@hucker said in Title bar ignores Windows setting, but Chrome obeys it!:
Why didn't they put the tab bar under the title bar?
Chromium doesn't use a title bar. You'd have to ask the Chromium authors why.
With that said though, in Vivaldi, goto the URL
vivaldi://settings/appearance/, check "Use native window" and restart Vivaldi. I don't know how hard it'd be for Opera to make that work, but if Opera had that, you'd probably love it. -
burnout426 Volunteer last edited by
@hucker said in Title bar ignores Windows setting, but Chrome obeys it!:
I had Opera with tabs right across. No "title bar" left to drag the window!
If you're using an up-to-date version of regular Opera, there will be a blank space on the tab bar between the + button and the search-in-tabs button that you can use to drag the window. If using Opera GX though, that space is missing due to a bug.
Either way though, if you goto the URL
opera://settings/userInterfaceand disable "Disable tab bar's top spacing when browser window is maximized", you can drag the window by grabbing at the very top of the window. -
burnout426 Volunteer last edited by
Not a solution (because it's buggy and not really supported), but right-click on launcher.exe in Opera's install folder, goto "properties", switch to the Compatibility tab and set compatibility Windows 7. Then check the colors of the tab bar.
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hucker last edited by
@burnout426 said in Title bar ignores Windows setting, but Chrome obeys it!:
Not a solution (because it's buggy and not really supported), but right-click on launcher.exe in Opera's install folder, goto "properties", switch to the Compatibility tab and set compatibility Windows 7. Then check the colors of the tab bar.
Didn't have any effect.
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