Title bar ignores Windows setting, but Chrome obeys it!
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hucker last edited by
@leocg said in Title bar ignores Windows setting, but Chrome obeys it!:
@hucker How can't I or anyone not use less email? It's been less and less required each day.
Email nowadays is basically to get offers and notifications. Eventually to get links to confirm a new account or the change the password of an existing one.
Sales and purchases on Ebay. Bank statements. Messages from friends worldwide. Messages from relatives worldwide. Notification of a reply in countless forums. I read about 50 to 100 a day! It's this thing called the internet, and email is an excellent place to gather every incoming communication. Plus there's a the newsgroups in the same program. Try using that on the web, ugh!
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hucker last edited by hucker
@leocg said in Title bar ignores Windows setting, but Chrome obeys it!:
@hucker Webmails nowadays are better than a decade ago. I have an Outlook based email and there is no noticeable difference between using it in the webmail or in the app.
I wouldn't use their app either. MS have never made a decent email program. I've only ever used Netscape email (back in the 90s) then Opera.
There's a big difference in speed when what you're clicking is on a 3500MB/sec NVME drive 2 feet to your left or a disk 1000 miles away through a connection passing through hundreds of routers.
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hucker last edited by
@leocg said in Title bar ignores Windows setting, but Chrome obeys it!:
@hucker The color in the title bar is for you to know which app is the active one. If the app is maximized, you know already that it is the active one. At least with one monitor.
You seem to keep changing what you're saying. Just now you said the colour is still present when it's maximised, then you say it isn't.
And who uses one monitor? Somebody who only goes on their computer once a day to read facebook?
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hucker last edited by
@leocg said in Title bar ignores Windows setting, but Chrome obeys it!:
@hucker In the real world, it's not possible to keep all options are preferences forever, some needs to be removed at some point.
Everytime something changes in a software, there are lots of people complaining about it and the same amount praising it.
There wouldn't be if there were options. We used to have options, we could customize windows. There's no need to take away basic stuff like that.
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hucker last edited by hucker
@leocg said in Title bar ignores Windows setting, but Chrome obeys it!:
@hucker Webmails nowadays are better than a decade ago. I have an Outlook based email and there is no noticeable difference between using it in the webmail or in the app.
Local Email:
- click to open app.
- click the email you want to read.
That's it, it's displayed in a 1000th of a second.
Webmail:
- click to open browser.
- click to go to webmail page.
- wait for it to load.
- log in.
- wait for it to load.
- click an email.
- wait for it to load.
- get notified you've exceeded your space allowance.
- fail to open the email because the file format of the attachment confused the system.
- wonder if they saw the naughty email you just read.
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blackbird71 last edited by blackbird71@hucker said in Title bar ignores Windows setting, but Chrome obeys it!:
... We used to have options, we could customize windows. There's no need to take away basic stuff like that.
Keep in mind that every software contol "option" requires code to support it - at least two paths toward two other chunks of code, each implementing their respective "choice". Each piece of new code takes resources to write, debug, and maintain. Optional code paths create tree-branches in code, all of which accumulate to geometrically complicate the possible overall functional operations of the code. The more complex the code tree, the more difficult it is to maintain and upgrade portions of it without affecting other paths and parts of the tree.
The end result is that there is constant pressure on developers to simplify their code whenever an opportunity arises... often at the expense of removing choices deemed lesser-used or of lesser importance. If the removed choice was never used by a user, that user couldn't care less about its removal; if it was used, then removal results in inconvenience or worse to that user. NOTE: this is not to say that developers necessarily "get it right" in all this... only that this is the explanation often underlying such "change".
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donq last edited by
@hucker As much as I agree with you, unfortunately we can't have best of old and new paradigms at the same time. Like blackbird71 said, every little change in any software needs work - and to satisfy old-timers (like us) is unfortunately not developers priority. New (but usually privacy violating) cool features may attract more people and generate some additional revenue; fixing titlebar color will not.
Of course it would be great if Opera could obey windows color scheme/theme - but this likely doesn't attract any new users to Opera (and does not alienate old users either) and gives no financial gain to them anyway.
I for example am using paid e-mail desktop program, both at home and at work; I hate customer servers, where active and inactive windows both have white titlebars without any border and I have no time to reconfigure that (try to navigate between dozen of file explorers and notepads this way); sure I have installed 3-rd party shell application to mimic older windows start menu and other options; no, I have not installed windows 11 - and so on and so on; I just don't think Opera forums are best place to cry about that
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donq last edited by
@leocg said in Title bar ignores Windows setting, but Chrome obeys it!:
... Hmm, it seems that someone has some difficulties in adapting to changes ...
Why would everyone always need to adapt to every change? Computer is a tool (at least for me), like hammer - I would not welcome, if someone for example coloured my hammer blue purely 'by esthetical reasons' or something. You may ask, what difference blue hammer makes - but I can't find it afterwards, because I know without thinking that it is (has always been) orange and I look for orange thing. Sure I can adapt to new state of things, but why should I? It takes time and generates stress.
(I likely would buy me a new orange hammer - but as it always happens, there are no more orange hammers available... Same situation in software world.)Well, no more crying here
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burnout426 Volunteer last edited by
@hucker said in Title bar ignores Windows setting, but Chrome obeys it!:
Are you saying to enable being able to put tabs on it, they had to not set up a normal title bar, then had to simulate all the title bar functions? It certainly behaves as one in every other way, like double clicking it to maximise.
Kind of. I'm saying to have the tab bar be at the top of the window, the title bar can't be showing. Then, since the title bar isn't showing, the tab bar needs to double as a title bar by supporting some of the things a real title bar does. In Opera's case, the tab bar doesn't support the system color stuff that you like.
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hucker last edited by
@leocg said in Title bar ignores Windows setting, but Chrome obeys it!:
@hucker Offers and notifications like I said.
I used to get over 100 email messages in a day ten years ago but now I get 10, 20 percent of it.
You are most unusual, everyone I know uses email more than before. It's the easiest way for any friend/relative/company to contact you.
@leocg said in Title bar ignores Windows setting, but Chrome obeys it!:
@hucker I'm a normal person, I won't freak out or be bothered because some milliseconds of difference.
A lot more than milliseconds, more like half a second.
@leocg said in Title bar ignores Windows setting, but Chrome obeys it!:
@hucker I didn't say that.
Didn't say what? You didn't quote anything.
@leocg said in Title bar ignores Windows setting, but Chrome obeys it!:
@hucker Lots of people use only one monitor.
That would be luddites.
@leocg said in Title bar ignores Windows setting, but Chrome obeys it!:
@hucker Like I said, I don't care.
About?
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hucker last edited by
@donq said in Title bar ignores Windows setting, but Chrome obeys it!:
Of course it would be great if Opera could obey windows color scheme/theme - but this likely doesn't attract any new users to Opera (and does not alienate old users either) and gives no financial gain to them anyway.
It alienates me. And surely it's part of Windows anyway, to deliberately disobey the Windows setting must take more work.
