Here are some suggestions for those looking for alternatives to Opera 12 (and use Opera Mail)

frenzie

frenzie

Originally posted by Tradeofjane:

Chrome might be fast but so is a mentally challenged kid with a hyperactivity disorder, at least until he hits the wall. It crashes more times than a NASCAR rookie.

That's why it has the multi-process architecture.

tradeofjane

tradeofjane

Here are a few add-ons you can use to make Firefox and Pale Moon more like Opera 12:

Secure Login (Replacement for the password wand manager in Opera)
FXOpera
Session Manager
Ad-block Plus
Noscript
Fire Gestures
Ghostery
Tabs Open Relative
Speed Dial
Classic Opera

If anyone has anymore let me know.

Deleted User

Deleted User

Originally posted by rilef:

Originally posted by Frenzie:

One has to love these insane analogies that are served up as if they are suitable replacements for objective truth and verifiable facts.

Indeed. I've pretty much given up trying to counter the silliness that is presented in thread after thread. Opera 18 works for me. In fact, it works beautifully. Anything they decide to add from this point forward, is simply a bonus as far as I'm concerned.

tradeofjane

tradeofjane

Originally posted by rilef:

Nor does Chrome, or Opera Blink for that matter, crash more than other browsers visiting the same web sites. In fact, these browsers crash less than other browsers, which are not using the same architecture as Chrome/Opera Blink.

That's complete bullsh*t. Chrome crashes the most out of all the major browsers and is notorious for doing so. Why? Because Google uses the rapid release cycle which causes immature code to sneak into a release if not well managed and limits the amount of time for testing.

Deleted User

Deleted User

Originally posted by Tradeofjane:

Originally posted by rilef:

Nor does Chrome, or Opera Blink for that matter, crash more than other browsers visiting the same web sites. In fact, these browsers crash less than other browsers, which are not using the same architecture as Chrome/Opera Blink.

That's complete bullsh*t. Chrome crashes the most out of all the major browsers and is notorious for doing so. Why? Because Google uses the rapid release cycle which causes immature code to sneak into a release if not well managed and limits the amount of time for testing.

Sez you. Source? (and it should be reliable and not just your say-so which is anything but...)

harryward

harryward

Originally posted by Tradeofjane:

Here are a few add-ons you can use to make Firefox and Pale Moon more like Opera 12:

If anyone has anymore let me know.

Thanks for that list. Some I never even heard of. A few more that folks might like to make Mozilla based more like Opera 12:

Auto-Sort Bookmarks 2.1
Find Button 1.0.4
Find All 3.5
Quick Search Bar 4.16

I had trouble with Classic Opera 1.1, so disabled it several weeks ago.

Harry

Deleted User

Deleted User

Originally posted by leushino:

I happen to have faith in Opera's dev team. Do you?

Not in the slightest. Not anymore.

danielsro

danielsro

Originally posted by laurenbacall:

- Full-featured custom searches. While Firefox does include the ability to add basic custom searches via bookmarks with keywords they aren't accessible via a text selection context menu (in Opera it would be 'Search With>'). Additionally JSON autosuggestion can't be manually added to custom searches.

I created several custom searches accessible via a text selection context menu and with JSON autosuggestion.
Try this and this.

Originally posted by laurenbacall:

Strangely Tab Utilities seems to add an irremovable toolbar full of buttons to links of 'Total Commander', 'UltraCompare', 'FreeGate', etc. Bizarre. Can't say I'd want to continue using it based on this experience.

about:config
extensions.tabutils.button.button_UltraCompate -> false
extensions.tabutils.button.button_TotalCommander -> false
etc.

Tab Utilities is better than Tab Mix Plus IMHO. Tab stacking.

Originally posted by laurenbacall:

I suppose the benefit of the addon is adding the Keyword input box to the pop-up bookmark star in the addressbar when you first create one, as well as Description, and a few other options, similar to expanding Opera's 'Details' button.

These input boxes are always there, but hidden. I use this UserStyle to display them:
Keyword addition for Add/Change Bookmark

danielsro

danielsro

About Opera -> Firefox...

Tip:
- Right click toolbar -> "Customize". Put buttons in this order: reload-stop, so they will merge into a single button.

Some other addons:

- Mouse Gestures Redox (best extension for mouse gestures + rock gestures)
- Advance Cookie Manager or Cookies Manager+
- CacheViewer2 (opera:cache)
- Custom Buttons
- FxIF (EXIF data in image properties, I use it with Element Properties extension)
- HeaderControlRevived (per-site referer, useragent and language)
- InheritPrincipal (execute javascript in urlbar)
- Open in Browser (option to try to display file in browser instead of downloading, I use it with InlineDisposition extension)
- OpenDownload² (option save download in temp folder and autoopen when completed - especially useful for *.exe)
- Scrapbook (most similar to Notes)
- Source Viewer Tab
- Tab Permissions
- Tile Tabs (Firefox does not support MDI, this extension reduces the impact of the problem)
- Link and Forminfo (like Links panel, I use it with View Dependencies extension)
- Add to Search Bar
- Menu Filter (simple and non-buggy extension to customize context menu)
- Organize Status Bar (Revived) (to be able to hide some buttons from statusbar)
- RighToClick (stops javascript annoyances such as forbidden right click, forbidden text selection or cascading dialog boxes)
- switch-to-tab Blacklist (to be able to open the same url in multiple tabs)
- Click to Play per-element

laurenbacall

laurenbacall

Originally posted by kesetrum:

I am webmaster and editing many CSS/HTML code etc.

The main reason why I still stick in Opera 12x are:
- Load back/accident post. AFAIK, only Presto have this ability. even after successfully post, I am still can do revert previous one only click BACK
- The Opera Dragonfly, is different than WebKit or Gecko/Firebug Inspect element.Presto has nice "real time" live mouse hover and show the styles.
- I am still have thousands of Notes instead of important Speed Dial.

But, still I am facing the big 5 fact. That my visitor still use Chrome, WebKit, IE and Presto Engine,including Opera Mini.
So, for testing site, I use current Opera 18x and Firefox also IE

Well, I remember many years ago. I am using Intel Pentium 300MHz with 256MB of RAM. At that time, IE was buggy and consume high cpu resources. While Firefuk had many memory leakage problem. Only Opera is the winner, can open many many tabs at once with LOWEST memory & CPU consumption. Dang..

So, quick update: I've been using Firefox exclusively for the past month and have found it to be very good.

In terms of the browser remembering entered text it actually does a better job than Opera. Firefox remembers text entered in fields even after closing and re-opening the browser, as well as pressing Back generally. Haven't tried testing submitting a form then pressing back yet. Edit: just did now, and it works :lol:

For memory usage it's stayed between 350MB-450MB running with 25 addons and various userscripts, etc. So far a very positive experience coming from Opera 12, although it's no easy task setting it up initially with the type of things I wanted to customize. Once I did, however it's a pretty solid

missingno

missingno

Originally posted by laurenbacall:

In terms of the browser remembering entered text it actually does a better job than Opera.

Yes, the hard part is to make it forget about entered text.

frenzie

frenzie

Originally posted by laurenbacall:

Once I did, however it's a pretty solid

Just be wary of browser upgrades.

laurenbacall

laurenbacall

Originally posted by rilef:

I've been using Opera 18+ almost exclusively for the past month and have found it to be awesome, better than "very good".

I think the only browser I'd call awesome is Opera Presto :lol: Still, I do think Firefox is better than it ever has been. I haven't been following the successive releases of Opera Blink as closely as before, is there much improvement feature-wise from 15/16?

Deleted User

Deleted User

Originally posted by rilef:

I've been using Opera 18+ almost exclusively for the past month and have found it to be awesome, better than "very good".

I wish I could say the same but each to his own ...

frenzie

frenzie

Originally posted by rilef:

If you must use Firefox, and I no longer often do, use the Firefox ESR version. Firefox ESR receives security and stability updates from the most recent, stable version of Firefox, but is not updated for any feature or appearance changes (except once for every 7 versions of Firefox stable, approximately every 42 to 48 weeks).

That's good advice if you want some stability (i.e. you use the browser to get work done). Still, the ESR might just as well break extensions as the smaller releases.

xcist

xcist

Thanks for the roundup. It's what I came here looking for. I've used Opera 12 until now, but I've been experimenting with the javascript File API, and FileWriter it isn't supported until 15.

Chrome hasn't improved at all since I last tried it. There's a new mouse gesture addon, MouseCrx, but it too misses about 2/3 of all gestures. Firefox does not have native mouse gestures, but FireGestures has worked very well. Firefox even has a bookmarks pan... uh, sidebar! No support for File API, but it's time to update, so I'll stick with it for now.

Deleted User

Deleted User

Originally posted by Frenzie:

That's good advice if you want some stability (i.e. you use the browser to get work done). Still, the ESR might just as well break extensions as the smaller releases.

All I can tell you from my own experience (I'm using Firefox ESR alongside Presto for 9 months) is that so far I didn't had any problems with broken extensions. Not even during the transition from ESR 17 series to ESR 24 series.
On the other hand I only use a few extensions (for mouse gestures, for custom buttons and for saving as web archive/MHTML & MAFF).
My local filtering proxy takes care of the rest

Anyway, if some extensions might break for the newest Firefox release there a good chances by using the ESR channel that those extensions will get updated till you get there.

stng

stng

danielsro

- Mouse Gestures Redox (best extension for mouse gestures + rock gestures)

- Better than FireGestures
- Not supported by its developer anymore.

But Redox still doesn't come close to the native implementation in Opera:

- It doesn't support creating a gesture combined with a keyboard buttons(ctrl, alt, shift...)
- it doesn't support context dependent gestures (in Opera, one gesture can be customized/used in a different parts of the browser's UI. For an example, in Opera, I've created the "GestureRight" gesture for Paste&Go function, which works exclusively over the address field.
- No support for multiple actions in one gesture

I simply can't adapt my own Opera's mouse configuration in the Firefox/MG Redox :(.

Deleted User

Deleted User

Originally posted by STNG:

danielsro

- Mouse Gestures Redox (best extension for mouse gestures + rock gestures)

- Better than FireGestures
- Not supported by its developer anymore.

I'm using "All-in-One Gestures". I have tested both, "FireGestures" and "Redox" (not sure if it is still working with Fx 24) in the past.
For what's most important to me, history navigation (Rocker gestures) and for opening/closing tabs it works as well as Presto's built in mouse gestures.

danielsro

danielsro

Originally posted by STNG:

- It doesn't support creating a gesture combined with a keyboard buttons(ctrl, alt, shift...)
- it doesn't support context dependent gestures (in Opera, one gesture can be customized/used in a different parts of the browser's UI. For an example, in Opera, I've created the "GestureRight" gesture for Paste&Go function, which works exclusively over the address field.
- No support for multiple actions in one gesture

I simply can't adapt my own Opera's mouse configuration in the Firefox/MG Redox :(.

MG Redox supports all these things, since you know a little bit of JavaScript. Edit gesture > Script.

Examples:

if(globalSrcEvent.ctrlKey) alert('Mouse gesture combined with Ctrl');




if(globalSrcEvent.target == document.getElementById('urlbar')) alert('Mouse gesture only over the address field');




if (mgGestureState.globalOnImage) alert('Do something if over an image');
else alert('Do something else if not');