Here are some suggestions for those looking for alternatives to Opera 12 (and use Opera Mail)

laurenbacall

laurenbacall

Originally posted by kesetrum:

I am webmaster and editing many CSS/HTML code etc.

The main reason why I still stick in Opera 12x are:
- Load back/accident post. AFAIK, only Presto have this ability. even after successfully post, I am still can do revert previous one only click BACK
- The Opera Dragonfly, is different than WebKit or Gecko/Firebug Inspect element.Presto has nice "real time" live mouse hover and show the styles.
- I am still have thousands of Notes instead of important Speed Dial.

But, still I am facing the big 5 fact. That my visitor still use Chrome, WebKit, IE and Presto Engine,including Opera Mini.
So, for testing site, I use current Opera 18x and Firefox also IE

Well, I remember many years ago. I am using Intel Pentium 300MHz with 256MB of RAM. At that time, IE was buggy and consume high cpu resources. While Firefuk had many memory leakage problem. Only Opera is the winner, can open many many tabs at once with LOWEST memory & CPU consumption. Dang..

So, quick update: I've been using Firefox exclusively for the past month and have found it to be very good.

In terms of the browser remembering entered text it actually does a better job than Opera. Firefox remembers text entered in fields even after closing and re-opening the browser, as well as pressing Back generally. Haven't tried testing submitting a form then pressing back yet. Edit: just did now, and it works :lol:

For memory usage it's stayed between 350MB-450MB running with 25 addons and various userscripts, etc. So far a very positive experience coming from Opera 12, although it's no easy task setting it up initially with the type of things I wanted to customize. Once I did, however it's a pretty solid

missingno

missingno

Originally posted by laurenbacall:

In terms of the browser remembering entered text it actually does a better job than Opera.

Yes, the hard part is to make it forget about entered text.

frenzie

frenzie

Originally posted by laurenbacall:

Once I did, however it's a pretty solid

Just be wary of browser upgrades.

laurenbacall

laurenbacall

Originally posted by rilef:

I've been using Opera 18+ almost exclusively for the past month and have found it to be awesome, better than "very good".

I think the only browser I'd call awesome is Opera Presto :lol: Still, I do think Firefox is better than it ever has been. I haven't been following the successive releases of Opera Blink as closely as before, is there much improvement feature-wise from 15/16?

Deleted User

Deleted User

Originally posted by rilef:

I've been using Opera 18+ almost exclusively for the past month and have found it to be awesome, better than "very good".

I wish I could say the same but each to his own ...

frenzie

frenzie

Originally posted by rilef:

If you must use Firefox, and I no longer often do, use the Firefox ESR version. Firefox ESR receives security and stability updates from the most recent, stable version of Firefox, but is not updated for any feature or appearance changes (except once for every 7 versions of Firefox stable, approximately every 42 to 48 weeks).

That's good advice if you want some stability (i.e. you use the browser to get work done). Still, the ESR might just as well break extensions as the smaller releases.

xcist

xcist

Thanks for the roundup. It's what I came here looking for. I've used Opera 12 until now, but I've been experimenting with the javascript File API, and FileWriter it isn't supported until 15.

Chrome hasn't improved at all since I last tried it. There's a new mouse gesture addon, MouseCrx, but it too misses about 2/3 of all gestures. Firefox does not have native mouse gestures, but FireGestures has worked very well. Firefox even has a bookmarks pan... uh, sidebar! No support for File API, but it's time to update, so I'll stick with it for now.

Deleted User

Deleted User

Originally posted by Frenzie:

That's good advice if you want some stability (i.e. you use the browser to get work done). Still, the ESR might just as well break extensions as the smaller releases.

All I can tell you from my own experience (I'm using Firefox ESR alongside Presto for 9 months) is that so far I didn't had any problems with broken extensions. Not even during the transition from ESR 17 series to ESR 24 series.
On the other hand I only use a few extensions (for mouse gestures, for custom buttons and for saving as web archive/MHTML & MAFF).
My local filtering proxy takes care of the rest

Anyway, if some extensions might break for the newest Firefox release there a good chances by using the ESR channel that those extensions will get updated till you get there.

stng

stng

danielsro

- Mouse Gestures Redox (best extension for mouse gestures + rock gestures)

- Better than FireGestures
- Not supported by its developer anymore.

But Redox still doesn't come close to the native implementation in Opera:

- It doesn't support creating a gesture combined with a keyboard buttons(ctrl, alt, shift...)
- it doesn't support context dependent gestures (in Opera, one gesture can be customized/used in a different parts of the browser's UI. For an example, in Opera, I've created the "GestureRight" gesture for Paste&Go function, which works exclusively over the address field.
- No support for multiple actions in one gesture

I simply can't adapt my own Opera's mouse configuration in the Firefox/MG Redox :(.

Deleted User

Deleted User

Originally posted by STNG:

danielsro

- Mouse Gestures Redox (best extension for mouse gestures + rock gestures)

- Better than FireGestures
- Not supported by its developer anymore.

I'm using "All-in-One Gestures". I have tested both, "FireGestures" and "Redox" (not sure if it is still working with Fx 24) in the past.
For what's most important to me, history navigation (Rocker gestures) and for opening/closing tabs it works as well as Presto's built in mouse gestures.

danielsro

danielsro

Originally posted by STNG:

- It doesn't support creating a gesture combined with a keyboard buttons(ctrl, alt, shift...)
- it doesn't support context dependent gestures (in Opera, one gesture can be customized/used in a different parts of the browser's UI. For an example, in Opera, I've created the "GestureRight" gesture for Paste&Go function, which works exclusively over the address field.
- No support for multiple actions in one gesture

I simply can't adapt my own Opera's mouse configuration in the Firefox/MG Redox :(.

MG Redox supports all these things, since you know a little bit of JavaScript. Edit gesture > Script.

Examples:

if(globalSrcEvent.ctrlKey) alert('Mouse gesture combined with Ctrl');




if(globalSrcEvent.target == document.getElementById('urlbar')) alert('Mouse gesture only over the address field');




if (mgGestureState.globalOnImage) alert('Do something if over an image');
else alert('Do something else if not');

captain-abstract

captain-abstract

There have been some mentions about sleipnir...

Just FYI, I tried it and was amazed how actively it phones back to g00gle (I guess every chromium-based browser does so, but haven't tested), thanks to comodo firewall with custom ruleset.

Sleipnir establishes a bunch of connections right after the launch, and all of the IPs happen to belong to g00gle. That occurs, I'd like to stress, even before you managed to enter any address to navigate to. I could understand and (possibly) allow a connection to sleipnir's home site for the sake of checking for updates. But dozens of them, all headed towards g00gle, are beyond me. Many of them using SSL, so that you couldn't just look into those packets' payload.

Firefox seems (without any warranty, though) to remain the last stronghold of non-snooping browsing. At least it doesn't initiate any connections until you actually decide to navigate somewhere. Opera is history now, as well as lavabit.com mail. The latter had the guts to inform its users about being pressed to comply. Opera just silently became "you can't stop the progress" Chrome.

blackbird71

blackbird71

Originally posted by captain-abstract:

There have been some mentions about sleipnir... Just FYI, I tried it and was amazed how actively it phones back to g00gle (I guess every chromium-based browser does so, but haven't tested), thanks to comodo firewall with custom ruleset. Sleipnir establishes a bunch of connections right after the launch, and all of the IPs happen to belong to g00gle. That occurs, I'd like to stress, even before you managed to enter any address to navigate to. I could understand and (possibly) allow a connection to sleipnir's home site for the sake of checking for updates. But dozens of them, all headed towards g00gle, are beyond me. Many of them using SSL, so that you couldn't just look into those packets' payload. ...

Hmm. It might prove an interesting exercise to temporarily block the site calls (with a hosts file, etc) and see what, if anything, "broke" in the browser...

narushima

narushima

Thanks everyone for sharing browser and extensions suggestions.

alf5000

alf5000

If someone had told me one year ago that I would leave Opera, I just would have laughed at him. I hadn't even thought about leaving "my" beloved, heavily customized browser.

But then things changed fast as Opera Presto started having more and more problems on the web.

- I had a deeper look at Thunderbird and also found the Lightening Addon
It's much more powerful than everything Opera provides in that direction.

- I had a deeper look at Firefox and its Addons
I managed to get almost everything that Opera provides and I found FF to be compatible with almost every site.

- I learned to use Autohotkey. (Not because my browser issues, I would have learned it anyway.)
Soon it was clear to me that Autohotkey was the missing link to get things done operalike.

Three powerful apps just to replace the champ - I still think Opera Presto could beat them all.

Why I write this?
One hand I feel kind of sad leaving Opera.
Other hand I feel some huge relieve that I found an adequate solution for dying Presto.
Try the FF/Thunderbird combo it won't hurt!

vedicaudio

vedicaudio

I think at this point I'd use any browser as long as it had bookmarks and a plugin which would automatically filter all of Leushino's posts from the web so that I don't have to waste time even seeing them.

A Former User

Thanks for dragging up a thread that was last added to five months ago just to say that!

hitanykey

hitanykey

If your looking for an alternative that is trying to truly emulate Opera 12.xx try http://otter-browser.org/

linuxmint7

linuxmint7

Or just use the official original 12.x, which is still available and which is what I am doing.

colderwinters

colderwinters

I believe in free speech as long as it's civil, we all have opinions and thats ok, I did not see any bashing in the original post, just helpfull suggestions as sparse as it was. No one is paying me to defend Opera, may be a different story it that was the case, I use the latest Opera as my main default browser, that said, I also have 8 other browsers installed that I use from time to time, Opera does not fill all my needs but it's passable as a main browser. the dev team can not be left to isolate in thier own bubble, they need the input of what may be better in another browser, it helps thier thought process. It cant be WE ARE NUMBER 1, SCREW ALL OF YOU AND YOUR INPUT, No, they have to be aware of what the other browsers do if they want to improve what they are putting out. EDIT, Actually I think Opera is a very good browser, mainly because I'm a techie type and know how to make things better, but my Free Speech opinion still stands