[Mod edit: Rude, derogatory post removed, Remember this is a public forum]

Originally posted by leushino:

The forums are intended for members HELPING members. Really, that is the long and short of it. I know you believe it helps your cause (and that of the other complainers) by labelling others, using foul language, threatening, bullying and generally disrupting but that is against the tos. Please abide by them.

And who the hell have you helped? You're only here to do damage control for Opera.

Originally posted by leushino:

The team that developed it is essentially gone.

But wait, doesn't that contradict the claim that everyone who worked on Presto is still working there? Funny, I thought everything was ice cream in rainbows in the wonderful world of Opera.

Originally posted by leushino:

There is NO turning back now and no matter how many threads are begun stating the disenchantment with the new browser or bemoaning the loss of features of the former, Opera Next is the new browser and the only browser that will be developed... period. If there are features you would like to see added back, be respectful (something that appears very difficult for you) and state them in the developers' blogs where they will have a better chance of being noticed. In the meantime, you can easily continue using a Presto version alongside the newer Blink version "if" you want to see how Opera Next is developing. If that is not satisfactory and does not meet your needs, then use another browser. In all of this, whining, complaining, swearing, threatening, bullying, labelling etc etc etc are both counter-productive and somewhat indicative of "other" problems (which I will mercifully leave unsaid).

And if you don't like people complaining about how badly ChrOpera sucks, stop acting like a paid shill and b*tching about everyone who b*tches about Opera.

Originally posted by Frenzie:

Originally posted by Tradeofjane:

to say that this wasn't a management decision to reduce cost is simply untrue.

Well, why would Bruce lie? Saying it came from engineering logically means it came from the management within engineering, but not from the company's overarching management. That makes his statement unnecessarily and perhaps misleadingly pedantic. (more)

Bruce works in the Developer Relations Department at Opera, which is responsible for creating and nurturing the developer community while leveraging the total community resources towards the software vendor's goals. He also works in the the Web Standards Department at Opera Software, which explains why he's in favor of using Chromium. He's also wrong about this being an engineering-led decision as even he states that Opera made the decision rather than paying engineers to maintain feature parity with other rendering engines. Engineers aren't going to lead on a decision to put themselves out of a job. The move to piggybacking off of Chromium was a decision made by management, NOT engineering, in order to avoid paying to develop their own engine by using one that was already available and being worked on for free.

Originally posted by rafaelluik:

Another quote I've shared countless times:
"The switch to using Chromium was an engineering-led decision, not a management decision to cut costs. It allows us to get an engine that thousands of developers work on (including our own, and we commit changes back for any other browser to use), that is compatible with most big websites and that we can build on top of." - Bruce Lawson from Opera Software

Bruce also said, "We took the decision that rather than paying engineers to maintain feature parity with other rendering engines, It seemed to be to us a much better way of using our resources, to take this open source rendering engine [WebKit], which is great, and then divert those engineers to do really cool sh*t".
Source: http://www.acquia.com/resources/podcasts/acquia-podcast-73-opera-browser-goes-webkit

Not sure what "cool sh*t" Opera has done since abandoning Presto, hell they can't even get bookmarks to work even with their freed up "resources", but to say that this wasn't a management decision to reduce cost is simply untrue. And they didn't just change the rendering engine, they changed their whole philosophy. From the rendering engine to the user interface, Opera 15+ is more of a copy of Chrome than an upgrade from Presto.

Originally posted by Kerygma:

Are there any alternatives out there to a 11.x or 12.x generation opera that is being updated? That is what I am looking for.

The Otter browser project aims to recreate the classic Opera web browser

Originally posted by doomjesus:

i didn't support this program for this long to be manipulated by the developers.

Blame management, not the developers.

Originally posted by Pesala:

Wrong. You can express your opinion if it is negative, as long as it is done politely.

Translation: "You can express your opinion if it is negative, as long as it is something I agree with".

Seriously, you're one to talk. You're rude to nearly every new member that posts on this forum and has a complaint about Opera.

Originally posted by leushino:

What a load of tripe. First off... this is NOT a rant forum; it's a Help forum. You've not asked for help. All you've done is whine and that is against the terms of service. You are aware of the tos, right? Secondly, no one is forcing you to use Opera 18. Continue using an earlier version since you happen to like its features and that really is the end of it. Opera has been developing Opera Blink now for a year. The former Presto developers' team has essentially been disbanded and some have left Opera altogether. Your whining serves no real purpose. If you want to see changes made to the new Opera, then visit the developers' blogs and politely request changes there... not here. Once again, this is a Help (not Rant) forum.

If it's not a rant forum then why do you go into nearly every thread ranting about people ranting? Both you and Pesala have an odd definition of "helping" someone. Every time someone asks a question or makes a complaint it's either "search the forums" or you and Pesala b*tching about them having a complaint and telling them to deal with it.

Originally posted by blackbird71:

It isn't criticism, politely voiced and accurately framed, that is really an issue. It's the ranting, outbursting, obscenity/profanity-laced, I-want-what-I-want-and-I-want-it-NOW, exagerated rhetoric that is the problem - of which you, frankly, have been part. It's immature, self-serving, offensive, disrespectful of everyone else trying to help users in these forums, and has no place here. It's the kind of behavior that gives legitimate criticism a bad name, and I'm frankly amazed that the mods haven't come down on it with a large hammer long ago. But then, the wave of repetitive, ranting threads has perhaps led them to simply write these forums off as any meaningful input, especially in light of the eventual move and reorganization of these forums... in which case, all the legitimate users are the poorer for the behavior of the ranters.

NEWSFLASH: I don't live to please you.

It is leushino, Pesala, and you (although to a slightly lesser extent) aka the "Opera Defense Force" that have been annoying, obnoxious, self-serving, and disrespectful. Want to talk about me having a "I-want-what-I-want-and-I-want-it-NOW" attitude? Are you f@#king kidding me? It's people like you, leushino, and Pesala that have been downplaying everyone's concerns and telling everyone to love it, leave it, and if you have a problem with it then deal with it.

And no one would have to rant if the new Opera didn't suck so badly. Nor would you have to rant about people ranting.

Originally posted by leushino:

You're a :troll: pure and simple. If YOU don't like Opera, YOU should just get out of the Help forum. Go over to the Developers' blogs and register your complaints there. Nothing is going to happen here other than you whining and our enduring your whines. :lol:

And cut out your filthy language. Yes, you disguise it with some symbols in order to prevent your posts being censored but in truth, you have a filthy mouth and frankly should be banned from the forums.

If anything is filthy it's your attitude towards new members and anyone who says anything negative about Opera. Why are you so incredibly defensive? If anyone says anything bad about Opera, you and your buddies Pesala and blackbird71 are on the defensive in every single thread. Either you're paid to be here to defend Opera, and doing a terrible job of it, or you're being paid to drive people away from it.