Here are some suggestions for those looking for alternatives to Opera 12 (and use Opera Mail)
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kesetrum last edited by
I am webmaster and editing many CSS/HTML code etc.
The main reason why I still stick in Opera 12x are:
- Load back/accident post. AFAIK, only Presto have this ability. even after successfully post, I am still can do revert previous one only click BACK
- The Opera Dragonfly, is different than WebKit or Gecko/Firebug Inspect element.Presto has nice "real time" live mouse hover and show the styles.
- I am still have thousands of Notes instead of important Speed Dial.But, still I am facing the big 5 fact. That my visitor still use Chrome, WebKit, IE and Presto Engine,including Opera Mini.
So, for testing site, I use current Opera 18x and Firefox also IEWell, I remember many years ago. I am using Intel Pentium 300MHz with 256MB of RAM. At that time, IE was buggy and consume high cpu resources. While Firefuk had many memory leakage problem. Only Opera is the winner, can open many many tabs at once with LOWEST memory & CPU consumption. Dang..
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harryward last edited by
Originally posted by Salahuddin1:
I've spent the last several weeks looking for some potential alternatives to Opera 12. Like many of the opinions expressed here, I too have been quite disappointed with the new Opera and have lost trust with the developers and the company.
Hope this helps. Please add any other suggestions to this post for potential alternatives.
I am so glad that you started this thread. Being frustrated with the new Opera is one thing, but to constructively discuss alternatives that might replace Opera 11/12 is great. And for those of us who don't have the skill or time to review all the alternatives and add-ins (thanks so much laurenbacall for your list), this thread is a godsend.
I know your thread title includes 'and use Opera Mail'. I don't, so that feature was not important to me. My alternative browser was Pale Moon (http://www.palemoon.org/). It is also Firefox based, but deletes the E-mail feature and other features that are not commonly used (their technical details tell you which). I have been able to set it up so it closely emulates what I use in my Opera 12. Not mentioned by laurenbacall or others in the '2 Pane Booksmarks' extension for all Firebox based browsers, which shows the bookmark sidebar with the 2 pane style of Opera. I find it a great extension.
I am sticking with Opera 12.x as my primary browser as long as I can, but when I currently get stuck with webpages that don't load, or when the march of technology completely passes Opera Presto based browsers obsolete, I will have Pale Moon.
Harry
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tradeofjane last edited by
Originally posted by leushino:
What can't you "stand" about the "new Opera?" Have you checked out SeaMonkey's performance? I have and it is not something to write home about. I used Chrome 31, Opera 18, Firefox 25, IE 11 (both desktop and modern) and SeaMonkey. SeaMonkey came in dead last on the Peacekeeper site. About all it has going for it is an integrated email client but even that does not function the way Opera's did. Bear in mind that I used Netscape from v.3.0 on up to its demise. SM is a throw-off from that suite and straight out of the 90's. It's clunky as you will soon discover with the "switches" that allow you to remove from view the various tool bars. But hey, if it floats your boat you're welcome to it. :whistle:
Chrome might be fast but so is a mentally challenged kid with a hyperactivity disorder, at least until he hits the wall. It crashes more times than a NASCAR rookie.
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frenzie last edited by
Originally posted by Tradeofjane:
Chrome might be fast but so is a mentally challenged kid with a hyperactivity disorder, at least until he hits the wall. It crashes more times than a NASCAR rookie.
That's why it has the multi-process architecture.
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tradeofjane last edited by
Here are a few add-ons you can use to make Firefox and Pale Moon more like Opera 12:
Secure Login (Replacement for the password wand manager in Opera)
FXOpera
Session Manager
Ad-block Plus
Noscript
Fire Gestures
Ghostery
Tabs Open Relative
Speed Dial
Classic OperaIf anyone has anymore let me know.
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by rilef:
Originally posted by Frenzie:
One has to love these insane analogies that are served up as if they are suitable replacements for objective truth and verifiable facts.
Indeed. I've pretty much given up trying to counter the silliness that is presented in thread after thread. Opera 18 works for me. In fact, it works beautifully. Anything they decide to add from this point forward, is simply a bonus as far as I'm concerned.
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tradeofjane last edited by
Originally posted by rilef:
Nor does Chrome, or Opera Blink for that matter, crash more than other browsers visiting the same web sites. In fact, these browsers crash less than other browsers, which are not using the same architecture as Chrome/Opera Blink.
That's complete bullsh*t. Chrome crashes the most out of all the major browsers and is notorious for doing so. Why? Because Google uses the rapid release cycle which causes immature code to sneak into a release if not well managed and limits the amount of time for testing.
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by Tradeofjane:
Originally posted by rilef:
Nor does Chrome, or Opera Blink for that matter, crash more than other browsers visiting the same web sites. In fact, these browsers crash less than other browsers, which are not using the same architecture as Chrome/Opera Blink.
That's complete bullsh*t. Chrome crashes the most out of all the major browsers and is notorious for doing so. Why? Because Google uses the rapid release cycle which causes immature code to sneak into a release if not well managed and limits the amount of time for testing.
Sez you. Source? (and it should be reliable and not just your say-so which is anything but...)
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harryward last edited by
Originally posted by Tradeofjane:
Here are a few add-ons you can use to make Firefox and Pale Moon more like Opera 12:
If anyone has anymore let me know.
Thanks for that list. Some I never even heard of. A few more that folks might like to make Mozilla based more like Opera 12:
Auto-Sort Bookmarks 2.1
Find Button 1.0.4
Find All 3.5
Quick Search Bar 4.16I had trouble with Classic Opera 1.1, so disabled it several weeks ago.
Harry
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by leushino:
I happen to have faith in Opera's dev team. Do you?
Not in the slightest. Not anymore.
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danielsro last edited by
Originally posted by laurenbacall:
- Full-featured custom searches. While Firefox does include the ability to add basic custom searches via bookmarks with keywords they aren't accessible via a text selection context menu (in Opera it would be 'Search With>'). Additionally JSON autosuggestion can't be manually added to custom searches.
I created several custom searches accessible via a text selection context menu and with JSON autosuggestion.
Try this and this.Originally posted by laurenbacall:
Strangely Tab Utilities seems to add an irremovable toolbar full of buttons to links of 'Total Commander', 'UltraCompare', 'FreeGate', etc. Bizarre. Can't say I'd want to continue using it based on this experience.
about:config
extensions.tabutils.button.button_UltraCompate -> false
extensions.tabutils.button.button_TotalCommander -> false
etc.Tab Utilities is better than Tab Mix Plus IMHO. Tab stacking.
Originally posted by laurenbacall:
I suppose the benefit of the addon is adding the Keyword input box to the pop-up bookmark star in the addressbar when you first create one, as well as Description, and a few other options, similar to expanding Opera's 'Details' button.
These input boxes are always there, but hidden. I use this UserStyle to display them:
Keyword addition for Add/Change Bookmark -
danielsro last edited by
About Opera -> Firefox...
Tip:
- Right click toolbar -> "Customize". Put buttons in this order: reload-stop, so they will merge into a single button.Some other addons:
- Mouse Gestures Redox (best extension for mouse gestures + rock gestures)
- Advance Cookie Manager or Cookies Manager+
- CacheViewer2 (opera:cache)
- Custom Buttons
- FxIF (EXIF data in image properties, I use it with Element Properties extension)
- HeaderControlRevived (per-site referer, useragent and language)
- InheritPrincipal (execute javascript in urlbar)
- Open in Browser (option to try to display file in browser instead of downloading, I use it with InlineDisposition extension)
- OpenDownload² (option save download in temp folder and autoopen when completed - especially useful for *.exe)
- Scrapbook (most similar to Notes)
- Source Viewer Tab
- Tab Permissions
- Tile Tabs (Firefox does not support MDI, this extension reduces the impact of the problem)
- Link and Forminfo (like Links panel, I use it with View Dependencies extension)
- Add to Search Bar
- Menu Filter (simple and non-buggy extension to customize context menu)
- Organize Status Bar (Revived) (to be able to hide some buttons from statusbar)
- RighToClick (stops javascript annoyances such as forbidden right click, forbidden text selection or cascading dialog boxes)
- switch-to-tab Blacklist (to be able to open the same url in multiple tabs)
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laurenbacall last edited by
Originally posted by kesetrum:
I am webmaster and editing many CSS/HTML code etc.
The main reason why I still stick in Opera 12x are:
- Load back/accident post. AFAIK, only Presto have this ability. even after successfully post, I am still can do revert previous one only click BACK
- The Opera Dragonfly, is different than WebKit or Gecko/Firebug Inspect element.Presto has nice "real time" live mouse hover and show the styles.
- I am still have thousands of Notes instead of important Speed Dial.But, still I am facing the big 5 fact. That my visitor still use Chrome, WebKit, IE and Presto Engine,including Opera Mini.
So, for testing site, I use current Opera 18x and Firefox also IEWell, I remember many years ago. I am using Intel Pentium 300MHz with 256MB of RAM. At that time, IE was buggy and consume high cpu resources. While Firefuk had many memory leakage problem. Only Opera is the winner, can open many many tabs at once with LOWEST memory & CPU consumption. Dang..
So, quick update: I've been using Firefox exclusively for the past month and have found it to be very good.
In terms of the browser remembering entered text it actually does a better job than Opera. Firefox remembers text entered in fields even after closing and re-opening the browser, as well as pressing Back generally. Haven't tried testing submitting a form then pressing back yet. Edit: just did now, and it works :lol:
For memory usage it's stayed between 350MB-450MB running with 25 addons and various userscripts, etc. So far a very positive experience coming from Opera 12, although it's no easy task setting it up initially with the type of things I wanted to customize. Once I did, however it's a pretty solid
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missingno last edited by
Originally posted by laurenbacall:
In terms of the browser remembering entered text it actually does a better job than Opera.
Yes, the hard part is to make it forget about entered text.
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frenzie last edited by
Originally posted by laurenbacall:
Once I did, however it's a pretty solid
Just be wary of browser upgrades.
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laurenbacall last edited by
Originally posted by rilef:
I've been using Opera 18+ almost exclusively for the past month and have found it to be awesome, better than "very good".
I think the only browser I'd call awesome is Opera Presto :lol: Still, I do think Firefox is better than it ever has been. I haven't been following the successive releases of Opera Blink as closely as before, is there much improvement feature-wise from 15/16?
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by rilef:
I've been using Opera 18+ almost exclusively for the past month and have found it to be awesome, better than "very good".
I wish I could say the same but each to his own ...
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frenzie last edited by
Originally posted by rilef:
If you must use Firefox, and I no longer often do, use the Firefox ESR version. Firefox ESR receives security and stability updates from the most recent, stable version of Firefox, but is not updated for any feature or appearance changes (except once for every 7 versions of Firefox stable, approximately every 42 to 48 weeks).
That's good advice if you want some stability (i.e. you use the browser to get work done). Still, the ESR might just as well break extensions as the smaller releases.
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xcist last edited by
Thanks for the roundup. It's what I came here looking for. I've used Opera 12 until now, but I've been experimenting with the javascript File API, and FileWriter it isn't supported until 15.
Chrome hasn't improved at all since I last tried it. There's a new mouse gesture addon, MouseCrx, but it too misses about 2/3 of all gestures. Firefox does not have native mouse gestures, but FireGestures has worked very well. Firefox even has a bookmarks pan... uh, sidebar! No support for File API, but it's time to update, so I'll stick with it for now.
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by Frenzie:
That's good advice if you want some stability (i.e. you use the browser to get work done). Still, the ESR might just as well break extensions as the smaller releases.
All I can tell you from my own experience (I'm using Firefox ESR alongside Presto for 9 months) is that so far I didn't had any problems with broken extensions. Not even during the transition from ESR 17 series to ESR 24 series.
On the other hand I only use a few extensions (for mouse gestures, for custom buttons and for saving as web archive/MHTML & MAFF).
My local filtering proxy takes care of the rest
Anyway, if some extensions might break for the newest Firefox release there a good chances by using the ESR channel that those extensions will get updated till you get there.
