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Which is the best version of Opera (EXCLUDING anything past 12.17) and why??

  • I just like it. It's fully packed, the layout insanely customised...
    ...
    It's my first browser, it's [wise]user-friendly. ...

    In a sense, a person could argue that about all the Presto Opera versions. So, why specifically do you prefer 11.64 over its successor Presto 12.xx versions? I know @Pesala once had a thread in MyOpera listing a number of specific things that he felt made 11.64 the best Presto version... what are yours?

  • In a sense, a person could argue that about all the Presto Opera versions. So, why specifically do you prefer 11.64 over its successor Presto 12.xx versions? I know @Pesala once had a thread in MyOpera listing a number of specific things that he felt made 11.64 the best Presto version... what are yours?

    +1

    They say, "third time's the charm", so maybe we will get an actual answer this time.

  • The only reason I can think of not to use 12.17 would be if you used the "Voice" feature on the older versions of Opera, which was eventually dropped IIRC when the third party provider of the system stopped supporting it.
    Even if you have heavy customisation, as I have, updating to 12.17 shouldn't lose any of it.
    It never has with me, I've been using Opera since version 7 and have never lost anything on an update (except Voice as I said.)
    🙂

  • The only reason I can think of not to use 12.17 would be if you used the "Voice" feature on the older versions of Opera, which was eventually dropped IIRC when the third party provider of the system stopped supporting it.
    Even if you have heavy customisation, as I have, updating to 12.17 shouldn't lose any of it.
    It never has with me, I've been using Opera since version 7 and have never lost anything on an update (except Voice as I said.)

    I recall that there were some changes made after v11.64 which prevented some of the earlier-version-compatible custom skins and buttons from working or showing things up properly... that, in turn, made it difficult to use certain custom button-sets and other tools. Something along that line was one of @Pesala's complaints back then, if I remember correctly. There was a fair amount of turmoil at that time about themes, skins, toolbar/personal-bar flexibility and such... but it didn't impact how I had Presto Opera set up, so I was able to migrate along - that is, up until the lock-down of the default search engine list starting with v12.15 and thereafter.

  • For me any 12.xx
    I just need tab stacking and bookmarks side panel. Once it will be integrated in new Opera I will stop using old one.
    I've seen a feature request for a side panel with a possibility to display extensions content, but opera devs don't care, and people like leushino just peace me off (he hijacks everyones threads, breaking rule 5 of this forum). This software and forum went down the drain, completely alienating old opera users... You can even ban me I don't care anymore

  • ...
    I've seen a feature request for a side panel with a possibility to display extensions content, but opera devs don't care...

    Whoa... stop the stampede! There are a number of plausible reasons why panels haven't been added, and it's quite a leap to assert the devs simply "don't care". Not the least of which reasons is that amidst the mass of other things they're trying to do, adding panels may not loom important enough in comparison (yet). Moreover, even if they have decided to not add panels ever, that doesn't mean they don't care, it simply means they don't agree that it's important enough to the user base which they're trying to successfully target with their finite design resources.

    We've all, as people, got to get over this idea that just because folks don't agree with us on something, they 'don't care' about it. There may be things in each of our lives that we care deeply about, but that, for whatever reasons important to each of us, we just can't do anything about.

  • I've seen a feature request for a side panel with a possibility to display extensions content, but opera devs don't care,

    Well, as the name says, a feature request is just a request. And, like all of them, can be denied or postponed to a distant future.

    Adding or change something is not that simple and lots of factors needs to be take into consideration before a decision is made.

  • Black, I said "pre-".
    Why did I stay on that "pre-64"? Why did I stay on something at all?

    Well, there were reasons. The reasons derived from - or rather originated in my approach to any upgrading at all: using the forums - as lots of other people - I tried to grasp if any updates could be inappropriate for me in certain ways, like losing features, etc.
    When we'd got 11, I remember that 10 started to become obsolete, because with the upgrade nothing essential got lost and internet browsing was improved and sites rendering updated to the demands of the moment. I kept tracking people's feedback - saw 12 receive some user criticisms: sometimes bugs, loss of features...
    I didn't ever care about mail clients and password manages, by the way - simple: keep the stuff in your head and watch your back.

    Pesala said he was using 11.64, yes, but you remember wrong - voice had been discussed to have got lost exactly with this 63-64 transition.
    Well, I don't used voice - never did. But why should I have lost it? Versus what?
    There's a queer law - variation of Murphy's one: if you lose something you have never needed - you'll need it the very next day.
    Well, I could've tried a .64, but I couldn't see any reason to.

  • Moreover, even if they have decided to not add panels ever, that doesn't mean they don't care, it simply means they don't agree that it's important enough to the user base which they're trying to successfully target with their finite design resources.

    So why nobody responds to those posts?

    I've seen a feature request for a side panel with a possibility to display extensions content

    I posted that suggestion 😛 here on forum, and few times on Desktop blog.

    And to stay on topic, I've used version 9, after which I started using Mozilla (now Seamonkey). Then I went back to Opera (already 12), so I don't remember what exactly changed. And I still use Opera 12.16 and I use it just for tabs stacking which I miss so much in new blink Opera.

  • What is that tabs stacking and why?

  • What is that tabs stacking and why?

    Wait what? Are you serious? You don't know what it is?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaaYp8544bs

  • No YouTube - I'm always listening to the radio (online).

    You don't know what it is?

    Nope. I'm with 11.63 (as it showed last time I checked).

  • Moreover, even if they have decided to not add panels ever, that doesn't mean they don't care, it simply means they don't agree that it's important enough to the user base which they're trying to successfully target with their finite design resources.

    So why nobody responds to those posts?

    I've seen a feature request for a side panel with a possibility to display extensions content

    I posted that suggestion here on forum, and few times on Desktop blog. ...

    A lot of posts in these forums (and user comments in the Dev Blogs) don't generate a specific developer response. Opera has historically been rather silent about responding to specific suggestions, whether they eventually include them or not. Moreover, if the devs happen to disagree with your view of the importance of a given suggestion, to respond in that way would almost certainly cause more "hate & discontent" than simply saying nothing... an opinion that's based on quite a few such examples I've noted here and at the MyOpera forum over the years. We users are often a very contentious lot... 😉

  • Nope. I'm with 11.63 (as it showed last time I checked).

    I will explain in words; When you drag one tab to another, it creates a group, next one you drag to it, adds to that group. Groups can be expanded and collapsed. That's it.

    Btw, the another awesome way to manage tabs in Opera 12 is a "windows" panel, which is great for widescreens. I use it at work where I have 2 screens 🙂

  • Grouping?
    Not seen much use of it.

  • I will explain in words; When you drag one tab to another, it creates a group, next one you drag to it, adds to that group. Groups can be expanded and collapsed. That's it.

    I've found this feature utterly annoying in the page bar (obstructive when moving tabs). And the Desktop Team didn't added opera:config's option to disable tab stacking :down: .

    But TS is very useful in the "Windows" sidebar panel.

  • If you usually keep around 10 tabs open then you don't need it. I usually keep around 30-50 tabs open and I usually group them by a research topic. I'm graphics designer, so I very often search for a lot of (cars/furniture/nature) reference images and I tend to open them in new tabs to save/examinate and so on, later.

  • But TS is very useful in the "Windows" sidebar panel.

    Yup, it creates you a tree which is very, very! comfy 🙂 You can collapse groups if you have a lot of them 🙂

    PS. LOL, another thread about Tab stacking opened just a few minutes ago, just when I've started to talk about it.

  • Ah, there was "Sessions"!
    You reminded me about it by all this stab tacking - one could use windows and sessions to handle large groups of pages, especially when you don't need them all at once

  • people like leushino just peace me off (he hijacks everyones threads, breaking rule 5 of this forum)

    I understand you perfectly. I got the same feeling.

    I also use stacking, it is a power feature for organisation.
    For Windows TS I use full panel because there are lot of web documents with long title which doesn't fit well in a small side-panel and I don't like my panel use half of my screen.

    For going back to topic, if I remember correctly, 12.02 is last 12 version supporting Unite.