Which is the best version of Opera (EXCLUDING anything past 12.17) and why??
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donq last edited by
I honestly do not understand what people expect to get from such ridiculous threads as these.
Seems to me that even Opera team members are able to get some information from such thread. Really, leushino - if people can explain, why they are using old versions, what are these specific properties, which some usres like, then this knowledge is quite valuable for software designers, developers etc.
I as developer am always interested, why people are using old versions of our financial software. Some people are even using over 20 year old DOS versions of our app... I could probably explain, why - although this goes very off-topic here (no information for Opera team). Well, speed and lack of confusing choices (streamlined usage pattern) are some reasons for our 'old-timers'; for browser (or other generic type application) lack of choices is usually not so good attribute. Speed (be it subjective or real) usually is
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Deleted User last edited by
Indeed, useful information can be gleaned from a thread such as this, HOWEVER, as ruario and I both pointed out, there are multiple threads JUST LIKE THIS ONE saying the same thing. So, in fact, this thread does not serve any useful function.
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A Former User last edited by
...and I both pointed out, there are multiple threads JUST LIKE THIS ONE saying the same thing.
...most of which (all?) were closed after your apparent requests. (I don't say "because" - I don't know that.)
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ruario last edited by
Ok, now this thread is going off the rails.
@joshl previously you wrote:
I'm using a pre-.64 11*:happy:*
To which I replied:
Maybe you wish to explain why? That is what @smurfinaus actually asked for (see title). If people don't explain why they have chosen a particular version, I can't see how this thread is useful.
Perhaps you use your next post here to explain why, rather than try to start a fight with leushino?
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A Former User last edited by
I just like it. It's fully packed, the layout insanely customised...
What? It's not the browser Opera ASA call "Opera" now.
Peculiar features and "gestures" I use.
It's my first browser, it's [wise]user-friendly. If it lacks something, it's obvious there are other browsers on here. -
blackbird71 last edited byI just like it. It's fully packed, the layout insanely customised...
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It's my first browser, it's [wise]user-friendly. ...In a sense, a person could argue that about all the Presto Opera versions. So, why specifically do you prefer 11.64 over its successor Presto 12.xx versions? I know @Pesala once had a thread in MyOpera listing a number of specific things that he felt made 11.64 the best Presto version... what are yours?
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ruario last edited by
In a sense, a person could argue that about all the Presto Opera versions. So, why specifically do you prefer 11.64 over its successor Presto 12.xx versions? I know @Pesala once had a thread in MyOpera listing a number of specific things that he felt made 11.64 the best Presto version... what are yours?
+1
They say, "third time's the charm", so maybe we will get an actual answer this time.
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A Former User last edited by
The only reason I can think of not to use 12.17 would be if you used the "Voice" feature on the older versions of Opera, which was eventually dropped IIRC when the third party provider of the system stopped supporting it.
Even if you have heavy customisation, as I have, updating to 12.17 shouldn't lose any of it.
It never has with me, I've been using Opera since version 7 and have never lost anything on an update (except Voice as I said.)
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blackbird71 last edited by
The only reason I can think of not to use 12.17 would be if you used the "Voice" feature on the older versions of Opera, which was eventually dropped IIRC when the third party provider of the system stopped supporting it.
Even if you have heavy customisation, as I have, updating to 12.17 shouldn't lose any of it.
It never has with me, I've been using Opera since version 7 and have never lost anything on an update (except Voice as I said.)I recall that there were some changes made after v11.64 which prevented some of the earlier-version-compatible custom skins and buttons from working or showing things up properly... that, in turn, made it difficult to use certain custom button-sets and other tools. Something along that line was one of @Pesala's complaints back then, if I remember correctly. There was a fair amount of turmoil at that time about themes, skins, toolbar/personal-bar flexibility and such... but it didn't impact how I had Presto Opera set up, so I was able to migrate along - that is, up until the lock-down of the default search engine list starting with v12.15 and thereafter.
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guciok last edited by
For me any 12.xx
I just need tab stacking and bookmarks side panel. Once it will be integrated in new Opera I will stop using old one.
I've seen a feature request for a side panel with a possibility to display extensions content, but opera devs don't care, and people like leushino just peace me off (he hijacks everyones threads, breaking rule 5 of this forum). This software and forum went down the drain, completely alienating old opera users... You can even ban me I don't care anymore -
blackbird71 last edited by
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I've seen a feature request for a side panel with a possibility to display extensions content, but opera devs don't care...Whoa... stop the stampede! There are a number of plausible reasons why panels haven't been added, and it's quite a leap to assert the devs simply "don't care". Not the least of which reasons is that amidst the mass of other things they're trying to do, adding panels may not loom important enough in comparison (yet). Moreover, even if they have decided to not add panels ever, that doesn't mean they don't care, it simply means they don't agree that it's important enough to the user base which they're trying to successfully target with their finite design resources.
We've all, as people, got to get over this idea that just because folks don't agree with us on something, they 'don't care' about it. There may be things in each of our lives that we care deeply about, but that, for whatever reasons important to each of us, we just can't do anything about.
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leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by
I've seen a feature request for a side panel with a possibility to display extensions content, but opera devs don't care,
Well, as the name says, a feature request is just a request. And, like all of them, can be denied or postponed to a distant future.
Adding or change something is not that simple and lots of factors needs to be take into consideration before a decision is made.
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A Former User last edited by
Black, I said "pre-".
Why did I stay on that "pre-64"? Why did I stay on something at all?Well, there were reasons. The reasons derived from - or rather originated in my approach to any upgrading at all: using the forums - as lots of other people - I tried to grasp if any updates could be inappropriate for me in certain ways, like losing features, etc.
When we'd got 11, I remember that 10 started to become obsolete, because with the upgrade nothing essential got lost and internet browsing was improved and sites rendering updated to the demands of the moment. I kept tracking people's feedback - saw 12 receive some user criticisms: sometimes bugs, loss of features...
I didn't ever care about mail clients and password manages, by the way - simple: keep the stuff in your head and watch your back.Pesala said he was using 11.64, yes, but you remember wrong - voice had been discussed to have got lost exactly with this 63-64 transition.
Well, I don't used voice - never did. But why should I have lost it? Versus what?
There's a queer law - variation of Murphy's one: if you lose something you have never needed - you'll need it the very next day.
Well, I could've tried a .64, but I couldn't see any reason to. -
kroppy last edited by
Moreover, even if they have decided to not add panels ever, that doesn't mean they don't care, it simply means they don't agree that it's important enough to the user base which they're trying to successfully target with their finite design resources.
So why nobody responds to those posts?
I've seen a feature request for a side panel with a possibility to display extensions content
I posted that suggestion
here on forum, and few times on Desktop blog.And to stay on topic, I've used version 9, after which I started using Mozilla (now Seamonkey). Then I went back to Opera (already 12), so I don't remember what exactly changed. And I still use Opera 12.16 and I use it just for tabs stacking which I miss so much in new blink Opera.
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kroppy last edited by
What is that tabs stacking and why?
Wait what? Are you serious? You don't know what it is?
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A Former User last edited by
No YouTube - I'm always listening to the radio (online).
You don't know what it is?
Nope. I'm with 11.63 (as it showed last time I checked).
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blackbird71 last edited by
Moreover, even if they have decided to not add panels ever, that doesn't mean they don't care, it simply means they don't agree that it's important enough to the user base which they're trying to successfully target with their finite design resources.
So why nobody responds to those posts?
I've seen a feature request for a side panel with a possibility to display extensions content
I posted that suggestion here on forum, and few times on Desktop blog. ...
A lot of posts in these forums (and user comments in the Dev Blogs) don't generate a specific developer response. Opera has historically been rather silent about responding to specific suggestions, whether they eventually include them or not. Moreover, if the devs happen to disagree with your view of the importance of a given suggestion, to respond in that way would almost certainly cause more "hate & discontent" than simply saying nothing... an opinion that's based on quite a few such examples I've noted here and at the MyOpera forum over the years. We users are often a very contentious lot...
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kroppy last edited by
Nope. I'm with 11.63 (as it showed last time I checked).
I will explain in words; When you drag one tab to another, it creates a group, next one you drag to it, adds to that group. Groups can be expanded and collapsed. That's it.
Btw, the another awesome way to manage tabs in Opera 12 is a "windows" panel, which is great for widescreens. I use it at work where I have 2 screens
Opera. :party:
