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Presto upgrade to Opera 25

  • Blackbird71, I just checked my programs - the only Opera program there is the new 25 version that Opera covertly installed yesterday. The older version appears to be gone.

    Just for curiosity, could you list what's in Opera's install folder?

  • The reports now exist in multiple places in this forum... the user experiences are real, for better or worse. An explanation from Opera is needed, since only they know for sure what they are or are not doing with updates.

    What a load of rubbish. Stop fanning the proverbial fire, blackbird. We have only "their" word for what has happened and from what I've seen on these forums from naysayers and avowed Opera haters, I would put very little stock in their claims.

    I'm sorry if this offends you. @leushino, but I'm fanning no fires. Over the last several weeks, I've seriously attempted to help various users in this forum who, as a fairly bunched cluster in time, have started reporting what appeared to them to be similar unsolicited auto-updating of their Presto Opera versions to Blink Opera. Some have posted screen shots, others have not. At first, the target cause seemed to be some peculiar malware, since the 'updates' didn't function properly or were incomplete.

    Past statements from Opera have been to the sense that Blink wouldn't over-write Presto installations, even if Opera wanted to, so those statements have colored my assumptions in focusing on a role of some new form of malware in these user problems. But a finite possibility remains that Opera is indeed doing something to update systems via Presto's update checker, and that 'something' is either wrongly executing for some users or malfunctioning. A simple statement by Opera can remove that possibility, and allow users to focus more directly on tracking down whatever malware is or might be involved. That's the whole of it, and no offense or fire-fanning is intended. If you know something factually that "makes this all rubbish", do please provide the link to something official. I just seek a simple answer from Opera or those closely associated with it: is Opera currently or in the recent past updating Presto installations to Blink via Presto's updater?

  • <RANT BEGIN>

    I've been a long time user of Opera and I'm extremely frustrated with the direction the browser has taken. I've never voiced my concerns prior to today, but today's UNWELCOME update has forced me to voice my opinion.

    IMHO: Please stop FORCING "NEW FEATURES" and MANDATORY "BUG/SECURITY UPDATES" at the same time! They are NOT ONE AND THE SAME.

    Opera Dev's: Read the above postings...Again, IMHO either let the end user DISABLE AUTO-UPDATING or SPLIT YOUR BUILDS; new features SEPARATE from mandatory bug/security updates. I believe that if you just do this, MOST of what people are complaining about would be remediated.

    Does it make sense to put new features that have not been vetted to the community INTO THE STABLE BUILD? I think NOT! However, it DOES make sense to put bug/security features into STABLE!

    Put NEW FEATURES in a Dev build and keep STABLE, well STABLE!

    Also, what is your target audience for Opera (Desktop)? (certainly not any company or corporation). Desktop change-control is PARAMOUNT in those environments, especially corporate. Slip in new features without telling them BEFORE HAND, remove/change options like Bookmarking to Stash to Bookmarking again but WITHOUT Stash, don't give them the option to disable automatic updates (to freeze a build) AND you've just LOST A CUSTOMER, I guarantee it.

    Listen People: Obviously, your current methods are starting to piss people off (yup, I'm one of them). I would suggest, as someone with a vested interest in seeing Opera succeed, LISTEN TO YOUR BASE.

    I hope this helps. Just speaking solely for myself, if this behavior continues, I will abandon Opera and go back to IE (I thought I'd NEVER hear me say that!) 🙂 (but seriously, I'll find something else to use)

    <RANT END>

  • ... I've never voiced my concerns prior to today, but today's UNWELCOME update has forced me to voice my opinion. ...

    @chewy1991, are you speaking from personal experience wherein your own Presto Opera version was apparently "updated" to Opera 25 without your involvement? If not, then of course you are free to express an opinion, but I'm trying to identify specific user instances where this seems to have occurred. Thus far, there have been 4, with 2 additional "possibles" if I can only run down their separate threads (now buried well down in the forum stack, and the forum search has been of no help).

  • I've noticed that version 25.0.1614.50 seems a bit slower than the previous version 24 that it replaced.
    Also have had some pages crashing that never happened on the previous version either.

  • @blackbird71 - Thank you for writing something constructive.

    I speak purely from a post-Presto perspective and my own experience with the current Opera.

    Perhaps I was too "doom and gloom", so please forgive the tone. No offense meant to anyone. I have grown over many years to depend on Opera for work and home. Here's what happened to cause my post:

    I was pissed off to find my "stash" gone.

    It escalated when I found no way to restore stash without losing the new favorites functionality.

    It got worse when I saw speed dial buttons lost the HTML picture rendering and MOST thumbnails were replaced with either a logo I didn't immediately recognize or alternating font texts (or configuration setting to CHOOSE).

    To top it off, I then discovered that there was no way to PREVENT all of this with the lack of an Auto-Update-Disable option.

    I believed that it would be beneficial if I iterated my own end user experience. I know I can't be the only one that got this update and wasn't BAFFLED at the least.

    Look, if I didn't care about this browser, TRUST ME, I wouldn't have written a thing and just dumped Opera at this point. I felt by posting something about what happened in the field, you guys would get the perspective of just how wrong this update methodology is.

    Again, it's only my opinion and I could be the only one. Just thought it was worth mentioning.

  • Imagine that... 4 forced (or so it is claimed) updates out of the tens of thousands who now use Opera 25 with not so much as a peep. ...
    Are your days really that empty that you must find meaning in representing the masses... err... the 2's or 4's who are whining? My suggestion is to get a life. Enjoy the amazing new browser from Opera and stop worrying about a tempest in a teapot.

    I don't know what has got your knickers in such a knot, @leushino. I've explained that I stumbled into this question by trying to help 3 of the 4 posters before this announcement was ever made, and I originally suspected they were dealing either with malware or system malfunctions. But as as time has gone by, and with the announcement at the top of this thread stating that: "To make sure our users get the best out of the web, we’ve begun offering some of our Presto users a chance to upgrade to Opera 25." I don't know how you read that, but to my eyes it appears that there is a possibility, not a certainty, that Opera has begun doing something specific toward Presto users they weren't doing before. All I'm trying to do is ask whether that "something" involves pushing Presto updates in some manner, on a selective basis... a simple, knowledgeable 'yes' or 'no' would suffice. But thus far, the only 'outside' response has been you ridiculing those who are trying to unravel a cause for the issue.

    If Opera isn't pushing updates, then users with unsought "update" problems (and my advice to them) can confidently advance on the fact, not an assumption, that Opera updating is not a factor in these 4 purported unsought update episodes, all of which have occurred in the last 16 days, with nothing prior. (FYI, there were 2 other situations that arose last July involving Opera being auto-installed "out of the blue" onto user systems which had no prior Opera version installed. That turned out to be, in at least one instance, due to an AV auto-updating software module. So these issues can be, and often are, legitimate.) Accusing such users of fabricating claims or just being chronic whiners like certain other posters borders on paranoia. Accusing me of fanning fires or spouting total rubbish denotes a total failure on your own part to read and objectively consider all the material that has been posted by those involved in the reports. To those users, while they may only constitute a small percentage of users, their problems seem real enough to them - and this forum exists, supposedly, to help users with Opera problems. Try doing that, instead of whacking people over the head for asking for such help or trying to offer it.

  • ...if I can only run down their separate threads (now buried well down in the forum stack, and the forum search has been of no help).

    You could star them.

  • There is really big issue for me on this update;
    It's about search engine, i can't remove default search engines. Because my custom search engines uses the same keyword. Normally i use "y" for youtube ,"w" for wowhead now they removed on this update and i can't add back. I'm using these two keywords for more than 5 years, now i can't. Seriously it's really annoying. I don't need default search engines really. Bing,yandex,wikipedia and amazon, they all is useless for me. Atleast give us to edit these default search engines or remove them at next update.

    If anyone have solution for it, i would really appreciate for it.
    (sorry for my eng)

  • So... Why do you want v12 users to come to v25 when you are missing all the features?
    You are adding features now that nobody needs or wants and missing features that brought me to Opera in the first place

    If you want me to use v25 please implement all the stuff you removed, in 5 minutes of using the 'Next' I already mis:

    • Tab Stacking
    • Link
    • RSS Feed

    Nowadays I use IE for sites like Facebook when they require speed so no need to install v25 otherwise I'll stick to v12.

    I don't understand why you are adding new features and not reimplementing the old ones. Doesn't anybody at Opera read the forums or do you not care that you are loosing users? I used to recommend installing this browser to friends, clients and co-workers. But now I just say use IE or Chrome.

  • There is really big issue for me on this update;
    It's about search engine, i can't remove default search engines. Because my custom search engines uses the same keyword. Normally i use "y" for youtube ,"w" for wowhead now they removed on this update and i can't add back. I'm using these two keywords for more than 5 years, now i can't. Seriously it's really annoying. I don't need default search engines really. Bing,yandex,wikipedia and amazon, they all is useless for me. Atleast give us to edit these default search engines or remove them at next update.
    If anyone have solution for it, i would really appreciate for it.
    (sorry for my eng)

    As I recall it there wasn't even an option to remove them in the previous versions, but there was a workaround. It seems like they now have "fixed" it and you aren't able to remove them at all! I asked for an solution in this forum, and what do I get in return? Some stupid troll writes I am too lazy to use two litterals for youtube instead of one "y". What the ..ck is this even? I am looking for a new browser now.

  • This update is simply ridiculous, moron, disoriented and left me extremely upset. The speed dial page I can use in the old version, and the page of markers? Why can't I see them as thumbnails as it used to? Is there any way to go back as it was?

  • What's the point of this? We could already "update" to opera 12+ while keeping opera 12-.
    All reading this did for me was that I quickly went and disabled the update notification I kept on in case of a security update like for v12.17

    If people wanted to "upgrade", they would have done so already.

    I stopped trying the newer version a while ago because of the auto-update function which I find unacceptable and was causing me trouble when I wanted to try a new version and then revert to an older one because of problems that made the newer one unusable for me.
    I know many workarounds to disable it, but they all have drawbacks when you don't want to disable it forever and I slipped up one day and the previous post 12 version I wanted to go back to became unusable so I deleted everything.

    BTW, presto still works surprisingly well on some websites, my parents still use it for facebook since some games work better on it then firefox, IE or chrome(there's no way in hell I'm going to install them a software that force auto-updates so they don't have the newest opera, I don't want to make troubleshooting their problems harder than it already is).

  • A little cleanup on this thread. Let's see if things go a little better from now on.

  • What do you mean by decrease tabbing performance? I use tab utilities to get tabs close to what presto had and I haven't noticed any performance problems.

  • Every extension that gives me tab lists when tabbing, has several frames of input delay. They also adds frames to tabbing(to go to that tab), so if I just hit alt+tab to go back to last tab, it will take several frames. Its a very notable delay.
    There is also other issues, such as lack of smooth scrolling(inb4 you mention the checkbox for "add delay and interpolate").
    Most of the ad block softwares increases page loading time, at the least those i tried.
    I don't think you understand how significant the UI performance increase in Opera was, between version 7 and 9. And its making it very hard to migrate to other browsers.

    Now, the IRC extension works fine, as do a bunch of others as well.

  • I asked only because I was curious since I didn't notice anything wrong. Switching tabs for me with ctrl+tab(I assume that's what you meant since windows use alt+tab to switch between software) only seem to have a 1 frame delay before the content actually appear and I assume I'm only noticing it because I spent time watching for this kind of thing while editing videos since it's so fast I can barely notice it.

    I have a really fast computer though so that might play a part in it.

    But yes, the lack of smooth scrolling is definitively annoying and it took me months to migrate to it from opera 12, but there's really no other viable choice sadly.

    On the plus side, tab utilities allowed me to be able to refresh the active tab just by clicking it and it changed my world. A week after I enabled this, I was already constantly doing it in other browsers out of habit so discovering this helped soften the blow of moving.

  • "I don't understand why you are adding new features and not reimplementing the old ones. Doesn't anybody at Opera read the forums or do you not care that you are loosing users? "
    I completely agree !

  • hi does anyone else have a problem with opera 25 and facebook, everytime i click on pewrson to chat it pust dialog box from let to right place od screen and not just like ordinary small talk box

  • "Opera Mail is now focused on one thing only - handling email better and faster than ever."

    How comes, Opear Mail is just a small subset of Opera 12.17, and hasn't been touched for more than a year.
    Or do you want to say that you are currently in the process of updating it?

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