What happens to opera 12 and presto engine?

  • Hi, first of all sorry if this question has been answered I tired search and I didn't find it.

    Will opera 12 and presto engine receive updates or is it over with that?I tried opera 15 and I won't be using it, I am sticking to 12 as long as possible but if I have to migrate it won't be to opera on chromium.

  • Originally posted by imm000:

    Will opera 12 and presto engine receive updates or is it over with that?

    I wouldn't be surprised to see a few more security updates for Opera 12.xx, but development of it is finished. We won't see Opera 13 etc.

  • Originally posted by Pesala:

    Originally posted by imm000:

    Will opera 12 and presto engine receive updates or is it over with that?

    I wouldn't be surprised to see a few more security updates for Opera 12.xx, but development of it is finished. We won't see Opera 13 etc.

    Ok thanks for info, I thought as much but I was hoping they will continue to support it for little longer.I am staying on 12 after that idk I might even give new opera fair shot, but that is largely because I dislike alternatives, but I strongly disagree with new direction opera took.

  • A lot depends on what emerges (and how quickly) in coming Opera versions. As long as 12.xx suffices for power users reluctant to adopt the "new" Opera, the situation will remain stable for those users. Once 12.xx becomes unusable or troublesome for an Opera user for whatever reason(s), the initial question at that point in time is whether the new Opera has developed enough user configurability and feature-richness for that power user to move in the new-Opera direction. Different users having different needs will experience that "moment of truth" at different times. Consequently, whatever the new Opera contains and offers them will vary as well, depending on the point in time involved. It's a very dynamic situation.

    In any case, once that moment of truth has been reached for an Opera power user, if the new Opera at that time still falls short of the user's needs, another question immediately appears for that user: "If not new Opera, what then?"

    As this major Opera redesign saga has unfolded and my hopes for the new Opera have faltered, risen, faltered again, and risen yet again, I've asked myself that last question several times. For me, there's simply not an easy or good answer. Yet. At this point, nothing in the new array of Opera versions meets my needs, by a fair margin. Things are (slowly) improving in some of the areas that matter to me, while other areas remain a black void with no progress evident or promised, with some brand-new "problem" areas arriving as well. In essence, the "new" Opera versions to date remain raw and fall well short of my needs. On the other hand, no other browser brand appears to exhibit the feature-richness and configurability of "old" Opera either. Or, in order to make them approximate that, they require massive "bulking-up" with add-ons, extensions, performance compromises, etc which cause them to become browsing monstrosities. I can not recall a similar situation where the potential evaporation of such a powerful tool as old Opera has left such a thus-far unfilled void in my software arsenal. And I suspect this has been true for many other users, hence the angst and even anger that keeps breaking forth in these forum threads.

    Fortunately, we still have 12.xx - at least, those of us for whom it still meets browsing needs. And so, we watch Opera and wait... and hope...

  • Well I tried new opera for a week and I am definitively not sticking to it.I think I will migrate to firefox because it looks like best alternative.
    Let's hope devs sober up after all the negative feedback and forget chromium and continue with presto or develop new engine from scratch(best option imo but most expensive).Or at least I hope that petition I seen on few threads for presto to become open source gets enough signatures, but than again opera abandoned it for reason maybe it has no future in long run.So I am leaving opera if situation changes I will most likely come back.

  • Originally posted by nobledv1:

    I have understood Opera Software skipped version 13 for reasons of superstition

    Not so much their superstition as the general public, but yeah.

  • Well. I found a website where a team is developing another free browser that attempts to offer all the best features from both Opera and Firefox in one. I don't think there will be any third party plugins offered at this time. Because there won't be any need for it. What has attracted me is the fact they are going to include a personal toolbar like Opera had. But better. This one seems to be VERY user friendly. The website isn't up yet. But I'll be waiting for it. Adios Opera. You abandoned your users for some political reason. To Hell with you. The best features are gone from Opera. So I am done with it.

  • Originally posted by cooljoebay:

    You abandoned your users for some political reason.

    Don't you just love conspiracy theories? Do some reading before ranting, and educate yourself about the reasons for the switch to the Webkit/Blink rendering engine, and their plans for the future.

    The Vision Behind Opera 15 and Beyond

  • Originally posted by Pesala:

    Originally posted by cooljoebay:

    You abandoned your users for some political reason.

    Don't you just love conspiracy theories? Do some reading before ranting, and educate yourself about the reasons for the switch to the Webkit/Blink rendering engine, and their plans for the future.

    The Vision Behind Opera 15 and Beyond

    Maybe you as a dispassionate monk are blissfully oblivious of the marks and effects of PR mannerisms, so it's necessary to point out to you that doublespeak is screaming at your face in every sentence in the text that you linked to. If you don't want to fuel conspiracy theories, do not link to Orwellian texts. This particular case is especially bad as everything in it is completely demolished in different ways in the comments that immediately follow. I in turn refrain from pointing out the more expert analyses of this case. It's already a famous PR study case.

  • http://my.opera.com/community/forums/findpost.pl?id=14810762

    Originally posted by Frenzie:

    Originally posted by somewhere (unbeknown to me at the time, The Vision Behind Opera 15 and Beyond):

    Off-road mode in Opera 15 adds SPDY to the mix so that your pages render even faster.

    No, it doesn't. Opera 12.10 already added SPDY (proof, or perhaps the official changelog is more to the point). Whoever wrote that is either ignorant or lying.

    The myth that Opera 15 added SPDY is by now well-spread thanks to that very blog post. Not even my tech writer friend bothered to correct his post on Opera 15 when I informally pointed out this falsity, which I find somewhat disconcerting. Orwellian is right: soon the Opera Minitrue will remove these traces of the past to which I link. One of them is scheduled to disappear on March 1, 2014. And with Disqus, the Minitrue doesn't even have to bother deleting anything, because nothing can ever be found that way. It might as well not be there at all.

    Some of us are passionate about dispassion. I prefer being passionate about the truth.

  • @imm000 - there is an errant bot on this site, an experimental AI named "Pesala" - that does provide right answers but the truth value is 100% inverted, so read them all accordingly.

    "Fixed in next release".

  • Originally posted by Frenzie:

    http://my.opera.com/community/forums/findpost.pl?id=14810762

    Originally posted by Frenzie:

    Originally posted by somewhere (unbeknown to me at the time, The Vision Behind Opera 15 and Beyond):

    Off-road mode in Opera 15 adds SPDY to the mix so that your pages render even faster.

    No, it doesn't. Opera 12.10 already added SPDY (proof, or perhaps the official changelog is more to the point). Whoever wrote that is either ignorant or lying.

    The myth that Opera 15 added SPDY is by now well-spread thanks to that very blog post. Not even my tech writer friend bothered to correct his post on Opera 15 when I informally pointed out this falsity, which I find somewhat disconcerting. Orwellian is right: soon the Opera Minitrue will remove these traces of the past to which I link. One of them is scheduled to disappear on March 1, 2014. And with Disqus, the Minitrue doesn't even have to bother deleting anything, because nothing can ever be found that way. It might as well not be there at all.

    Some of us are passionate about dispassion. I prefer being passionate about the truth.

    :yes:
    Actually, Frenzie, that blog post is „correct“ in a twisted way... It is like politicians endlessly extolling the creation of new jobs... despite the rising unemployment. Do you wonder how it is possible? Simply: it is because only the statistics for new jobs are recorded, while the statistics for lost jobs are never, ever recorded, anywhere.
    In crapitalism, negatives are always uttered in euphemistic doublespeak -- they are always "corrections" and the like...

  • Originally posted by nobledv1:I have understood Opera Software skipped version 13 for reasons of superstition

    Not so much their superstition as the general public, but yeah.

    Maybe I shall go to hell.org and find that Opera 13! :yes:

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