Opera 15/16/17/18/19/20+ - The Chrome Wars
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blackbird71 last edited byOriginally posted by leushino:
... Granted, there's nothing wrong with that but my guess is that Opera is designing for the masses rather than the exception....
I think that's part of the problem which many of us have tried to describe, though the problem's perhaps understandable given the scarcity of resources and the magnitude of the design task and costs. If one aims their design at the masses, they're really aiming at mediocrity (middle-ness)... and the danger in that is that one often hits what they aim for: a mediocre design not good for much beyond that. I believe it far better to aim higher, striving to design a versatile tool with rich and numerous capabilities and configurable for a wide array of usage patterns, but with the as-shipped defaults set such that the masses can use and enjoy it as-is. That way, those with the adequate skill can easily go on to tweak the browser to do all manner of creative tasks by configuring it in countless ways that might never occur to the masses. Kind of like Old Opera was, but without the website compatibility issues of Presto. I still harbor a hope that eventually out of the smoke and ashes, that's what will eventually arise and emerge. But as time passes, I am beginning to wonder if it will be Opera ASA from where it emerges...
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Deleted User last edited by
But at this point we don't know what their final design would entail. The old Opera never caught on with the masses for one reason or another in spite of its feature set and configurable nature. Who can say what discussions went on in the boardroom regarding the future design or the new browser. From a business standpoint, what they had been doing for the past 19 years didn't seem to be financially sound. I loved the old Presto browser but could not convince anyone in my family or m acquaintances to install it. My intuition tells me that Opera decided to take a gamble due to the increasing difficulty of making the older browser compatible with websites in addition to increasing their market share. They knew beforehand that many long-time users would be furious and abandon Opera (and perhaps they misjudged just how great the dissatisfaction would be) but they undoubtedly believed they would attract new users because of the popularity of Chrome-like browsers. And whether we hate such or not, they're extremely popular.
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frenzie last edited by
I think that just goes to show what power Google wields. It seems to have stopped now, but for a while there whenever I visited a Google website in Opera, Firefox, IE, or another non-Chrome browser, it displayed a notice about "upgrading" to Chrome. There's yet another flip-side to that popularity coin: there's already plenty of Chromium browsers a dime a dozen. I'm still hoping that Opera will be the Chromium browser I'll actually want to use, but it's not looking that way yet. Oh well, we'll see how it looks in half a year from now.
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Deleted User last edited by
That's pretty much my own feeling. There's just something about Google that has a "creep" factor. Maybe it's their cavalier attitude about our privacy... I don't know. But I'm reluctant to adopt Google's Chrome as my default browser. Who can say what Opera's offering will be.
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leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by
Originally posted by Frenzie:
Tagging is bookmarks.
Maybe, but in a different way. And was about it that iwas talking: the way you "bookmark" a page will/is changing imho. Instead of, i.e., you need to put a page into "folder 1/Subfolder 2/SubSubFolder 3" and into "Folder5/Subfolder7/SubSubFolder11" you would just create two or three "tags" for it.
Originally posted by Frenzie:
So if you need a particular page in a book you don't use a bookmark, but you use the index to find the same page over and over again?
Well, if i had to go back to the same single page very often then maybe a bookmark would be more helpful. However in this case i think i would prefer to use a Speed Dial.
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stevenjcee last edited byOriginally posted by blackbird71:
I strongly suspect Opera still believes the number of folks demanding bookmarks is much smaller than you or I believe... which means the priorities of developing features or browser aspects Opera does believe most of its potential users demand will remain higher than bookmarking.
Great, so why was it announced that A) they will be working on getting bookmarks back/in asap,
that they will be back in Version 18, etc???That is exactly the kind of doubletalk & contradiction that is all over this forum, mainly because a few massive posters have posted what were nothing more than their personal speculations, yet stated as if they were known facts, sometimes even berating others for not knowing of them, or not so willing to accept them as fact, etc., thus some of us get frustrated and do not become fans of some of these arrogant, yet contradictory, "volunteers".
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frenzie last edited by
Originally posted by LeoCG:
Maybe, but in a different way. And was about it that iwas talking: the way you "bookmark" a page will/is changing imho. Instead of, i.e., you need to put a page into "folder 1/Subfolder 2/SubSubFolder 3" and into "Folder5/Subfolder7/SubSubFolder11" you would just create two or three "tags" for it.
Many of us have been saying it would be nice if certain M2 innovations like filters made their way into e.g. bookmarks for over a decade. Filters could also be used as merely a simplistic tagging system, but of course a simplistic tagging system would improve on filters as well. For instance, you could make a filter that says "show things that are tagged university, linux, and language." Unfortunately, it doesn't look like Opera is interested in taking bookmarks to the obvious next level.
Originally posted by StevenCee:
Great, so why was it announced that A) they will be working on getting bookmarks back/in asap,
that they will be back in Version 18, etc???They said bookmarks are a priority, but nothing about a specific version. However, with what is essentially the Chromium bookmarks bar with a few minor changes finally making its way into a sort of stable feature half a year later, that doesn't sound like much of a priority to me.
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leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by
Originally posted by StevenCee:
Great, so why was it announced that A) they will be working on getting bookmarks back/in asap,
that they will be back in Version 18, etc???They said they would be bringing bokmarks back and they are already doing it through the bookmarks bar. You should hava noticed that they never mentioned any dates and or versions for bookmarks to come back neither how they would come back.
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frenzie last edited by
Originally posted by LeoCG:
You should hava noticed that they never mentioned any dates and or versions for bookmarks to come back neither how they would come back.
Nor have they ever in the past. It's always been "when it's done" or something to that effect.
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leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by
Originally posted by Frenzie:
Many of us have been saying it would be nice if certain M2 innovations like filters made their way into e.g. bookmarks for over a decade. Filters could also be used as merely a simplistic tagging system, but of course a simplistic tagging system would improve on filters as well. For instance, you could make a filter that says "show things that are tagged university, linux, and language." Unfortunately, it doesn't look like Opera is interested in taking bookmarks to the obvious next level.
Yep, something like that would be good. I was thinking of something like the "you don't need to sort your messages" concept of M2, maybe an option to index a page so you could find it just by searching for a few words.
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frenzie last edited by
Originally posted by LeoCG:
Yep, "When It's Ready" was a very famous "slogan" here.
Thanks. I knew "WID" didn't look right, but couldn't think of the right version.
Originally posted by LeoCG:
Yep, something like that would be good. I was thinking of something like the "you don't need to sort your messages" concept of M2, maybe an option to index a page so you could find it just by searching for a few words.
That could be interesting.
