Is Opera dead for good?

  • Forgive me a little provocative title...

    I started using Opera a long time ago – I had to buy Opera then (!) . Then I had downloaded each new version, first on PC , then - after the OS change 6 years ago - on the Mac.

    For many years Opera was "my" browser. There was no other. Why? Because Opera had features that other browsers simply did not have (or have implemented them much later ). Because Opera could be REALLY personalized and adjusted to your needs.

    And now ?...

    Last "normal" Opera was the version 12. And later... Well...

    New Opera (20, 21, 22...) has a super-duper engine from Chrome and "the most beautiful" interface… So what? It’s still completely non-functional.

    The beauty of the interface is not my greatest conern. I will say more: as a simple user I don’t care, which engine the browser uses. What interests me is FUNCTIONALITY - specific functions and features that facilitate the use of the browser. And to which I got used to over the years.

    And the new, super-fast and incredibly beautiful Opera 20+ simply does not have them. Why? Because. A few simple examples:

    You can not hide the address bar. In Opera 12 I had hidden the address bar (to make more space on the screen... ). To type the address pressed F2. Now? Forget it.

    You can not (yes , YOU JUST CAN’T - we are talking about Opera 22 for Mac ) to enable full screen mode . There is no such possibility. Not at all. Oh yes, everything is described in the „Help” (including keyboard shortcut ), but the shortcut does not work. And in the "View" menu this option does not exist. Inevitably, there is also no possibility to get real full screen mode (Presentation mode). And yet for a long time Opera was the ONLY browser that could do it!

    The new system of bookmarks is just a joke. And do not tell me "you have to get used to it". Why „I have to”? Because the programmers made such decision? What’s wrong about free choice?… :-/

    There is no personal bookmarks bar. It is not possible to define your own search engines (I don’t even mention the possibility of moving them to the personal bookmarks bar - see above).

    Old keyboard shortcuts don't work. And so on...

    To put it in a nutshell – Opera 20+ lacks ALL THIS, what made Opera the Opera. Personalisation? Oh, yes, one can change… skins. And colours. Fascinating.

    Why? Yes, I realize that you do not get an answer other than cliches about "improving , modernizing and keeping with times, that are a-changin’”.

    Unfortunately, the truth is that this is no longer Opera . This is Chrome - in a bit nicer skin.

    Well, unfortunately - this product is now useless for me. For now, I still use the "old" Opera 12.16 - until it works.

    Step by step – I decide to move to Safari (Mac). Today Safari (with a few plugins) can do almost everything I need.

    It looks like – after many years – I’m going to say „farewell” to Opera. What a pity.

    Opera is dead. RIP.

  • This thread will be closed soon or later

  • Well... What to do. It's just my opinion. And I'd really like to know other opinions. Or (maybe?) arguments and reasons...

  • My first met with Opera was in 2012 when I used Opera Mini in my phone, so I used in my computer but it was slow and heavy. I decided to change to Chrome utill last year what I met the new Opera. I think it is an amazing browser. It is light, easy to use, a wonderful design. I have never had such a good experience in browsing. Opera is not dead, it is reborn.

    BTW, there are a lot of topics with the same subject so when I moderator see this, he will close it.

  • @sidneyneto

    I agree that this thread should be closed down. It's a total rehash of what has been discussed ad infinitum, and filled with so many mis-statements about the new Opera as to be very frustrating.

    @janhalb

    I was with Opera, when you had to pay to use it (around 2005). You complain about bookmarking, say it's a joke. Your comments is a joke. There's tons of bookmarking in Opera 21. It's an abundances of riches -- from the Speed Dial (which can hold a folder of links for each speed dial position), to Stash, the personal bookmarks toolbar (you say there is no personal bookmarks bar: what the hell are you talking about) (just go to Alt P, User Interface, and put a check in Show the bookmarks Bar), and finally there are quite good Bookmark Manager extensions, eg., try the the Chrome store, like Neater Bookmarks, Chrookmarks for Chrome, Tidy Bookmarks. To download and install a Chrome extension, all you need is the Opera extension, called, "Download Chrome Extension."

    You say you can't define your own search engine. Sure you can. Here's a thread that discusses the issue of the default search engine. https://forums.opera.com/topic/2473/default-search-engine/6

    Listen, janhalb, everything isn't the same. Opera 21 is significantly faster than the old Opera. It can access sites that the old Opera never could. It's an entirely different concept now. I don't need or want all of the features that you do. Nor do I believe the vast majority of users would want those features. So why overload the basic browser with them, and slow it down, and make it clunky. If there's need, let it be met via good developer extensions. And of course, I do mean good ones. In fact I'd never use many of the features you want. I would prefer a simpler cleaner faster basic browser, and then add, only what I personally need or want via extension. If what you need isn't in the basic browser, ask for the developers to add extensions to meet the need. Opera Presto is becoming and will become increasingly incompatible with websites. So the way to go is with Opera 21 (the latest stable version) which is a fast, minimalist browser, open to a wide range of extensions, and capable of giving a better rendering of sites than Opera Presto.

  • As said, there are lots of topics about the same.

  • Wait a minute, as while there are plenty of discussions about bookmarks and posts explaining why the default search engines can't be edited yet, there are specific things unanswered in this thread.

    You can not hide the address bar. In Opera 12 I had hidden the address bar (to make more space on the screen... ). To type the address pressed F2. Now? Forget it.
    Don't you think the space it takes is too little to care about? This is so trivial... Just ignore it and use F8 / other shortcut to focus it.

    You can not (yes , YOU JUST CAN’T - we are talking about Opera 22 for Mac ) to enable full screen mode . There is no such possibility. Not at all. Oh yes, everything is described in the „Help” (including keyboard shortcut ), but the shortcut does not work. And in the "View" menu this option does not exist. Inevitably, there is also no possibility to get real full screen mode (Presentation mode). And yet for a long time Opera was the ONLY browser that could do it!
    There are shortcuts for both full screen and presentation mode in the help file, if it doesn't work for you it's an issue that would have to be troubleshoot.

    Old keyboard shortcuts don't work. And so on...
    Such as?

    Step by step – I decide to move to Safari (Mac).
    And how can it be personalized? How do you hide the address field on it? How do you apply skins? I'm sure the keyboard shorctcuts are all different too...

    Why „I have to”? Because the programmers made such decision? What’s wrong about free choice?… :-/
    Time has to be spent to implement choices / personalization / features / options, currently they'd rather spend time on things the majority of users will experience and want to use than working on barely used features of dubious usefulness (specially avoiding implementing various ways to accomplish the same thing since users can prefer or adapt to the way possible in the current version).

  • Listening to Opera's CEO it seems that Opera browser is really concentrating on the mobile market so their desktop browser as we've known it is no longer particularly relevant anymore.
    https://sg.news.yahoo.com/video/global-internet-concentrating-mobile-boilesen-115405360.html

  • Listening to Opera's CEO it seems that Opera browser is really concentrating on the mobile market so their desktop browser as we've known it is no longer particularly relevant anymore.
    https://sg.news.yahoo.com/video/global-internet-concentrating-mobile-boilesen-115405360.html
    Yet, the Opera desktop team is bigger than ever!
    Any new unfounded theories to share?

  • Title of the article: Global Internet Concentrating on Mobile: Boilesen

  • Don't kid yourself. All of the major browser are putting energy in the mobile market. As for Opera, it appears to have all of its different irons in the fire. Including a clear evidenced concern for the desktop. I mean, if the desktop team is bigger than ever, what are they doing? Biting their fingernails?

  • @lem729.

    1. About bookmarks:

    Why can't I have "Bookmarks" on menu bar? There is only bookmarks bar. In Opera 12 there was menu "Bookmarks" (as in EVERY known browser) AND personal bookmarks bar. I had plenty od bookmarks in menu "Bookmarks", and only some of them (for everyday use) on personal bar. And yes, it was much more convenient.

    And yes, I know there are plugins and so on. But - for God's sake - WHY?

    1. I didn't say I can't define my own search engine. I said, that I don't care about the engine so much.

    @ Rafaelluik:

    1. About hiding address bar: If You're far form home and use 13' laptop it MAKES difference. It was just more convenient. And I don't understand the problem: would saving such features make the browser much slower" I don't think so...

    2. You say:

    "There are shortcuts for both full screen and presentation mode in the help file, if it doesn't work for you it's an issue that would have to be troubleshoot."

    Yes, I KNOW there are shortcuts. And (in Opera for Mac) they DO NOT WORK. Torubleshooting? I checked Opera 20, Opera 21, and now Opera 22. Still the same problem.

    1. What shortcuts, you ask?

    F8 (hiding / showing address bar) :-)

    Shift+alt+ctrl+w = close all the tabs but the open one.

    And so on.

    1. Yes, in Safari I can hide the address bar. In the latest safari (5.1) I can personalise plenty of features. Not so many as in Opera 12. Much more than in Opera 20. And WITHOUT extra plugins (or, in some cases, with ONE plugin - Glims).

    Skins? No, I can't apply skins. But - as I've written - I don't care about skins at all. :-)

    What I don't understad is WHY cutting down plenty of features. You want "fast, minimalist browser, open to a wide range of extensions"? Sure, I understand. So use Chrome, for God's sake.

    Is it good reason to ruin Opera?...

  • For crying out loud, all I did is post a link, it's not an opinion it's a news item, if your so upset by it please complain to Bloomberg who made the video available.

  • About bookmarks:

    Why can't I have "Bookmarks" on menu bar? There is only bookmarks bar. In Opera 12 there was menu "Bookmarks" AND personal bookmarks bar. I had plenty od bookmarks in menu "Bookmarks", and only some of them (for everyday use) on personal bar. And yes, it was much more convenient.
    And yes, I know there are plugins and so on. Bu - for God's sake - WHY?

    Why not an add-on, so you can get a menu-type display of the bookmarks. What's the big deal. And many people want different things, so you shop for the bookmarks extension manager that gives a display that suits you. If Opera put the menu display in the browser, it might suit some and not others. in any event, yes it could be in the browser, but it's really so easy to deal with -- there are so many choices for bookmarks manager add-ons. You said, "the new system of bookmarks is a joke.". Now really, that's ridiculous, and I mean with a capital R.

    You say, " this is Chrome in a nicer skin." If you insist on seeing it that way, there's nothing I can say. I think it's better than Chrome. We can use Chrome extensions, but we have Opera extensions too. The footprint on the computer is, in my experiience, in Opera is far less. Opera's Speed Dial (with folders) is light years beyond what Chrome has. There's a list of distinguishing of additional features that makes Opera unique -- Stash, Discover, Off-Road mode, etc. but you insist on seeing similarities. It's as if you're wearing Chrome-colored glasses, and that's all you see.

    You complain repeating : why cutting down features, You didn't read my post. It's a different concept for a browser now. The basic browser stays minimalist, lean, very fast . . . Customization comes through extensions. So, if you want something, do a little home work. Go to the Opera add-on store, or the Chrome add-on extension store. (Remember, you can use a chrome extension, as long as you have in your browser the Opera extension, called, "Download Chrome Extension. " Not everything will be the same as before. Right now you may not be able to replicate eveything you had in Opera Presto, but you can find some things better -- that you never had before. Think of change as an opportunity. This faster, more up-to-date browser, capable of rendering websites that Opera Presto could not is an opportunity. You can't always keep adding to an old house. Sometimes, you have to clear away the clutter, and begin anew. We're now far enough along to see the pieces falling into place. Can't you smell the coffee brewing:)))

  • This thread must be closed, it is useless to discuss things that were discussed before.

  • For crying out loud, all I did is post a link, it's not an opinion it's a news item, if your so upset by it please complain to Bloomberg who made the video available.

    @rainspa

    Come On Rainspa, don't play innocent victim. ;) You didn't just cite something. You asserted that the Opera "desktop browser as we've known it is no longer particularly relevant.". And I do think that's ridiculaous. As I stated the major browsers are putting energy into the mobile market. That includes Firefix, and Chrome. There's nothing to suggest that Opera is concentrating a lesser percentage of its resources on desktop than any of its competitiors.

    Indeed, when Opera 17 (a few Opera blink renditions ago) was tested against it's browser competitors, it left a few in the dust. http://www.slideshare.net/MID_AS/browser-performance-tests

    "A lot has changed with Opera since we last tested browsers twelve months ago. Since then Opera have switched from using their own "Presto" rendering engine to instead using the same engine as Chrome. Whilst this change has been received with mixed reviews by Opera users, with some unhappy that many of Opera's original features were dropped, our tests results actually show that the "new" Opera is a browser to be reckoned with outperforming Internet Explorer 11, Firefox 25, and Safari 5 in our tests. Opera 17 came top in 3 out of our 15 tests, and runner up in 6. The browser also secured highly on HTML5/CSS3 compliance and in our aggregated Javascript performance tests . . ." (Of course, we are now at Opera 21 as the last stable version).

    They also noted that if you keep the browser open a lot, Opera Blink is the best choice because "initial page loads are the quickest of all the browsers tested."

  • (...) If Opera put the menu display in the browser, it might suit some and not others. (...)

    Well, you could say the same about every item in the menu....

    (...) but you insist on seeing similarities.

    You're right. Similarities are fine. It's like in buying new car: there are plenty of new features, better engine, more comfortable seats, safer airbags, bigger trunk... But some things are the same. Still you have accelerator pedal on the right, brake in the middle, clutch on the left. Lever for windshield wipers is on the right side of the wheel, lever for the turn signal - on the left. And the horn is clearly marked ;-)

    In Opera 20+ I feel lik trying new car where almost everything is in different place, some features don't exist, so I take manual - an there goes: "Buy some extensions, like 'Place_clutch_on_the_left' module"...

    Customization comes through extensions. So, if you want something, do a little home work. Go the the Opera add-on store

    So, can You give me a little helping hand in doing my homework?

    Three questions:

    1. Is there any extension for hiding address bar? (Yes I know - but I REALLY liked this feature...) :-)

    2. What's the best extension for bookmarks? And what should I do to import bookmarks from Opera 12? (Menu "View -> Import bookmarks" is inactive - I don't know why).

    3. Any extension for "Full screen" and "Presentation mode"?

    And all this for Opera for Mac, mind it...

  • To hide the address bar, what's wrong with f11, (full-screen mode).

    For bookmarks, I like the extension, Neater Bookmarks. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/neater-bookmarks/ofgjggbjanlhbgaemjbkiegeebmccifi

    It's what I use. But there are other options. It's a buyer's market. There's a lot out there.

    Here's a review of it. http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/neater-bookmarks-get-a-tree-view-for-your-bookmarks-in-google-chrome/

    I'm not sure about your last point. There is an extension, Full Screen, where you get full screen mode with a click of the button.

    https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/full-screen/gmimocjjppdelmhpcmpkhekmpoddgima

    I'm not quite sure what you mean by the real full screen mode. By the way, when I click f11, it does work for me. Also, I haven't try the Full Screen extension. Remember, to use a Chrome extension, you need the Opera extension, called "Download Chrome Extension." https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/download-chrome-extension-9/?display=en

    When you download the Chrome extension, you need to click on Opera menu/extensions (or ctrl Shift E), and then install the Chrome Extension. For Opera extensions, you go to the site for them, and when you click on them, they install instantly with the download. You know, if you download and install an extension you don't like, it's simple to either deactivate it, or uninstall it. So why not look for what you might like. It can be fun.

    And janhalb, best of luck to you.

  • To hide the address bar, what's wrong with f11, (full-screen mode).

    As I've written before - it DOES NOT WORK (in Opera 20 or 21 or 22 for Mac_... :-(

    And what about importing bookmarks? I'm trying to do it by Menu and by extensions - nothing works...

    I'll try the rest. Thanks, anyway...

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