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Is there any backup system at all??

  • i used Opera for at least half a year, had a number of 20+ tabs opened, and never had any problems. today i start as usual, and no tabs plus no way to get them back 'cause unlike Firefox or Chrome there is no any button to get tabs back after as i understand some crash happened(first time ever! that's why i didn't even save those tabs in any way, considering browser is stone-stable).
    as a last resort i go to profile folder, for maybe some backups and what i see = all possible files connected to tabs or session are "current" or "last", but both already empty. i presume that even if there was some "old" files with list of my tabs, they were erased on second browser start. yeap, as any casual user, when i saw my tabs are gone, i got scared, closed browser and started it again, to check if maybe that was a glitch. very clever and safe backup-system you made, devs, thanks! and no, cloud profile is not a solution as i don't use any cloud.
    for the moment i will just remember OPERA IS NOT SAFE BROWSER, use it only for browsing smt not important.

    p.s. very good capcha-system on registration, spending 3 minutes clicking on dumb pictures is exactly what i needed to get angry after loss of important data.

  • @rey0n A few tips:

    Learn how top backup your data by your own, don't keep relying on each software to do it for you.
    Do regular backups of your important data. Every software can crash someday and lead to a data loss.

    Under Menu > History you can view last closed tabs, even from the last session.

  • @leocg the thing is other browsers have at least some backup system, while none here. yet, as i said there wasn't even once a problem with tabs, so yeah my bad trusting Opera too much.
    History won't help to find tabs opened few month ago 'cause i didn't close them(browser did), i just checked them constantly.

  • @rey0n said in Is there any backup system at all??:

    i used Opera for at least half a year, had a number of 20+ tabs opened, and never had any problems. today i start as usual, and no tabs plus no way to get them back 'cause unlike Firefox or Chrome there is no any button to get tabs back after as i understand some crash happened(first time ever! that's why i didn't even save those tabs in any way, considering browser is stone-stable).

    No computer and no software is ever 'stone stable' in terms of data preservation, especially as the time-frame involved increases. There will always be some possible failure mechanism that can defeat any application program's built-in backup scheme if it has one, some failure modes being more likely than others. As a result, reliably backing up important information (data, settings, etc) from outside an application program is ultimately a user's responsibility, regardless of the app program involved. Truly critical information should be backed up in multiple ways in multiple locations; less-important information (eg: the kind that can be manually recreated) should be backed up in at least one place apart from the data/settings folder where it ordinarily resides. It's one of the harsh lessons of using a computer that a user ignores at his peril.

  • @blackbird71 i already heard that, and honestly my point is about other thing >>
    do you consider such "old - new" files system as logical?! it seems only thing people see in my post is angry reaction, while i tried to describe how stupid the current system is = so Opera kinda has a backup, then smt happens, user starts and sees everything is empty, Opera itself doesn't say a word what happened = next there is only one way to possibly save data - close browser and go search for possibly safe "old" files. but most user may panic, just like me, and eventually start Opera again, where stupid algorithm takes place and overwrites "old"/filed files with "new"/empty, which is not even stupid, it's like no logic at all!!

    if i may, i'd propose to involve some checking for when drastic changes in files sizes happen. which involves

    • Opera definitely states on start-up that there was a crash
    • important files aren't overwritten with new-empty files in a dumb "nothing strange here"-way
    • = all these can be achieved by simply saving hash of most important files and comparing them on start/close to determine such situations.
  • Sucks that this happened to you. Although I always use the "continue from last time" option, I wouldn't *rely* on it in any browser. There are too many ways sessions get messed up.

    As a workaround, what I'd do is create a bookmarks folder named "Important Tabs". Then, any tab you want to protect so-to-speak, just click the heart in the address field and add it to that bookmarks folder. Then, if you lose all tabs, you can just right-click on "Important Tabs" and choose "open all in new tabs" to restore them. Even if you only lose a few of the tabs for some reason, you can right-click to close all tabs and then open all for the folder.

  • @burnout426 said in Is there any backup system at all??:

    Although I always use the "continue from last time" option

    that's what i was using whole time. thanks for a tip, not how i used to work but will try.
    still i think idea with hash control sums on start/close of browser is good, if only devs could see that.

  • I don't know if this will help you, but I use Hekasoft Backup.

    http://www.hekasoft.com/hekasoft-backup-restore/

  • @browzer1 said in Is there any backup system at all??:

    I don't know if this will help you, but I use Hekasoft Backup.

    http://www.hekasoft.com/hekasoft-backup-restore/

    Agreed... it's highly reliable, easy to run, and only takes up 2.5 Mb of disk space as a portable install. I've use it for some time as one of my layered data/settings backup tools for each of my browsers and eMail client. The only drawbacks I've found are that it's a manual (rather than automatic) backup mechanism and that the application program being backed up must be turned off during backup/restore.

  • thanks for a link @browzer1 , but @blackbird71 mentioned real flaws of that app: manual (rather than automatic) backup mechanism and that the application program being backed up must be turned off during backup/restore.
    found the reason of my problem, it's a bug. will continue in new thread.

  • If you have that many open, its a time investment, so right-click on a tab and save to speed dial and they will all save to a folder. Now you can close them all and go to speed dial and right-click and open all tabs.

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  • @mryanmarkryan2 yeah already tried that. will have to remember to do that from time to time. thanks anyway.

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