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Title bar?

  • @leocg

    I know what you mean but the big question is why wasn't the title bar implemented from very the beginning?
    Somebody tried to be clever, too clever I guess and now we are stucked with the consequences!
    After all the title bar is a common and familiar way to the windows user interface. It always have been.

  • What is the difference between having a selectable title bar in maximized mode and adjusting window size vertically on the current Opera version?

  • @ervin74 The title bar takes unnecessary vertical space, that's the main logic behind it I assume, in fact I think Opera was of the first (as it was always looking for ways to improve the user's ergonomy) to do it (maybe with Opera 9, don't remember very well now), and I suppose that your scenario does not apply to the majority of users. Also who knows about the future of Mozilla, if it was that good they wouldn't plain copy Chrome to reach a wider user base and be faster, Opera on the other hand was always blazing fast, which remains -despite their engine switch- still one of their "selling" points. They were blocking window pop-ads and gave people the possibility to custom block ads natively from inside the browser for the speed gain long before extensions in other browsers became popular.

  • @ervin74 Maybe because (almost) no one really cares about it? Or maybe because it doesn't make much sense to have one?

    Firefox doesn't have one, as well as Edge, at least by default and in FF I couldn't find anything in settings page to enable it, what probably means that it isn't something that many users want or need.

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  • @leocg
    Firefox has one! Take a look at the above screenshot. It has to be enabled but it has one.
    (In FF Menu => Customize = "Enable Title Bar")

  • @xirit32

    Nothing of what you wrote is some real arguments to not to have an optional title bar that can be turned on/off like in Firfox.
    There can be many scenarios when it's really needed to have one and It's not like it consumes 10000 lines of code.

  • Just checked and the other browsers have a title bar or between 5-10 seconds and I found options, found the option to enable the title bar and it was back. But browser or not is irrelevant, the title bar is the one consistent place you can use to move a window (of any kind of program) around on the desktop. This is my one daily use program that is no longer usable, there is no guarantee there is a spare area available to grab the browser and move it around (an area available to all programs/windows), so now I have to find it on the task bar make it the top window, then move it around.

    At least be like the other browsers and provide the option to restore this critical part of normal day to day desktop computing. For some of us the browser is but one of many programs we run on our computers, it is not the only program we run.

  • You can't drag a maximized window anyway - and if Opera is not maximized it has enough space above the tabs to drag the window. Sorry, but arguing on the basis of dragging is not applicable.

  • @sgunhouse there is not enough space above the tabs to click-and-drag the window around, at least on Ubuntu 16.04, the only space to click-and-drag is the space between the + tab button and the tab menu. I find this annoying for the same reasons as @dwelch mentioned. While I can change my habit to search for that small bit of clickable space, or use Alt+click to drag the window, every single other application on my machine has a title bar where I click the title bar to drag (or double click to maximize), so it doesn't make sense to interact with the Opera browser window in a different way. I am constantly moving windows around from different applications, so it is quite a nuisance to be unable to click and drag the Opera window - it really interrupts my work flow - almost to the point of making me want to switch browsers. Aesthetically it is also displeasing.

    As mentioned previously, Firefox, Chrome, Vivaldi all have options to enable the title bar. I see no reason why Opera shouldn't as well. It isn't a complicated option to implement.

  • It's not a place to show how good Software Engineer is by removing Title Bar and created something similar but hard to use. It's user experience & usage. (UI, UX). I could accept that someone still prefer to use LYNX, but not me.

    Computer is made to help people.

    The system (Gnome, Wayland, Mac, Window$) has its own Windows Manager system that people get used to it.
    Now I have problem to use Opera because the Title Bar was gone. Opera becomes a rebellion in among the applications. Hard to use.

    If Opera's developers wanted to show off programming skills, please have something that provides all compatible/synchronized functionalities as the Title Bar has (different system might have its own behaviour).

  • @alamyliu Looks like there were something happened, and the Opera update days ago still keeps the unfriendly design. I'm switching to Vivaldi (by old Opera developer).

  • I have pretty much the same problem.
    Where is the title bar gone?
    Is there no way to restore it in opera?
    Windows attributes are part of the windows manager not of the application - that's wrong.
    How can I see the title of a website, how can I move the windows across the screen a.s.o.?
    No ev'ry application does it's own way - horrible!

  • I too need the title bar. I don't know why everyone's following this design trope but it's not one I find usable, and judging from the above, others agree.

    My very-slim tolerance for this product is now eroded away, since every other browser and mail reader DOES in fact support having a proper window title. I'm not sure why there are moderators here making it sound like it's a huge problem to add something that's fundamentally supported by the operating system--Opera must have worked to intentionally hide the bar away, they don't need to "add" anything! I'm moved to laughter watching devs claim that making what used to work really well and making it harder to use with no recourse is a "win" because of everyone else is doing it. (...but they're not! As stated above they all have options to go back to how it used to be! Giving users a choice isn't a bad thing!)

    Good luck guys, I only use Opera to test browser functionality, but now I have one more reason why it's not my go-to any more.

    • You CAN drag a window that is maximized - the moderator shouldn't post if they are uninformed.

    • For some of us with very high resolutions, we just don't have enough real estate to click and drag a window.

    • Some of us go even further with multiple monitors - get this - we even have them stacked on top of one another... I dare you to try to grab the 1 pixel title bar to move it with stacked monitors.

    • For those that say you can drag the Tool Bar - well you'd be mis-informed there. You'd have to have space to click which we don't. Not to mention the entire design of the Title bar was to allow this movement. Basically GUI designers created it an Opera decided to make their own GUI that is NOT compatible with the standards set forth by the OS designer.

    Now given the fact that I maximize my windows frequently and have 8x 4k monitors running on each desktop. It's almost impossible to actually move the window at all... I mean with 4320 pixels I can now only select 1 pixel to move the window... (This is vertically by the way.)

    The perception of the idiot behind this change is skewed as they don't imagine that anyone could have something different then they have. (Yes they are an idiot by pure definition.) I have opened threads in here in the about this change as it basically made Opera unusable in our office (for all employees). We successfully rolled back to a previous version by having to restore from backups since downgrading corrupted the profiles.

    The problem now is that certain sites no longer function correctly in Opera yet if we upgrade they do, however, we can't upgrade otherwise we lose the ability to move the window. Would appreciate recommendations for an alternative browser. Hopefully one that can us Opera extensions. This is quite similar to why we left FireFox for Chrome, then Chrome to Opera. The Dev's behind the software are too thick to understand their user base. Making idiotic changes shows the ineptitude of their product and will begin the process of their demise.

    Will be forced to leave Opera now but the real question is what is the best browser to replace it? I'm open to suggestions.

  • Let me throw in another argument PRO title bar. Working on Linux with multiple desktops I frequently use the title bar to send off windows to another desktop. Now even with Alt+click+drag I have to "walk" through all neighboring desktops to move that Opera window on the desktop where I need it to be.
    So please, gimme back the title bar.

  • Amazing, it is now possible to have a website create a popup window in Opera that you can't move and can't close... Unless you are fortunate enough to know about Alt-Drag to move or Alt-F4 to close... Oh, but wait, that doesn't work on a touch-screen does it?!

    https://javascript.info/popup-windows#example-a-minimalistic-window

    Like others on this thread, I too am now looking to an alternative unless it looks like this "feature" will be fixed. Vivaldi's looking nice so far.

    Edit: Browsing around, found this page:
    https://www.htmlgoodies.com/beyond/javascript/article.php/3471181/New-Window-No-Title-Bar.htm

    Smiled at the comment from KS at the bottom: That only works in older browsers. Modern browsers won’t let you remove the title bar because then there’s no way to close the window.

    Seems that is not so true anymore 😉

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