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0PERA MAIL -- If worse comes to worse

  • Hi,

    I am just wondering... If worse comes to worse, meaning say the developers decide to not continue making O MAIL... Will I be able to import my mail to another client?

    Will importing to another client just throw everything into the inbox or will the tags be treated as folders in the new client?

    Thanks,
    Chris

  • @cwm030 Opera Mail stopped being developed about five years ago.

    You should be able to import your mail in another email client as long as it supports importing from mbox format.

  • @leocg Just curious... Does TBIRD support MBOX?

    and would it keep my email sorted or just throw everything into 1 mailbox... It took me 2 DAYS to sort about 4 years worth of emails into the correct tags...

  • @leocg >>> Opera Mail stopped being developed about five years ago. <<<<

    But, I heard somewhere here in another section of the board that M3 will be coming out soon??????????

  • @cwm030 said in 0PERA MAIL -- If worse comes to worse:

    But, I heard somewhere here in another section of the board that M3 will be coming out soon?????????

    Jon, the former CEO of Opera started Vivaldi. It will have a built-in mail client called "M3" based on web technologies. Since Jon, and many others, like Opera Mail (M2) so much, Opera Mail's features have been kept in mind while developing M3.

    M3 is working, but it's still not ready from prime time. It will only have IMAP, no POP, for starters at least. There's no indication that it'll be released soon though.

  • @cwm030 said in 0PERA MAIL -- If worse comes to worse:

    Does TBIRD support MBOX

    Thunderbird uses mbox files for storage of emails. There's one for each folder. The files don't have the mbs extension, but they're mbox files. However, Thunderbird doesn't support importing and exporting mbox by default. You need the import/export tools extension to do that.

    @cwm030 said in 0PERA MAIL -- If worse comes to worse:

    and would it keep my email sorted or just throw everything into 1 mailbox.

    If you import from Opera's mail/store/accountN folder, you're going to get a lump of emails. However, if you right-click on each view you want in Opera and choose export, you'll have a separate mbox file for each label/view that you should be able to import into a certain account in Thunderbird in a more-controlled manner. Just note that in Opera, with the exception of the per-account access points, exporting a view exports messages from all accounts. Right-clicking in the mail panel and setting "show messages from" to a certain account before exporting should allow you to do things just for a certain account.

    Also note that in Opera, a message can be in more than one view/label. If you export both views/labels with the message, it'll be exported twice and therefore imported twice.

    The best way to do things (as far as exporting for importing into Thunderbird) is to create a bunch of labels like:

    account1-Inbox
    account1-Sent
    account1-Drafts
    account1-Trash
    account1-foo
    account2-Inbox
    etc.

    , sort messages into those labels and export each label.

    That's all for POP accounts though. For IMAP, you just set up your IMAP account in Thunderbird and you're done. You'll lose labels (tags in Thunderbird) though. You could use an IMAP keyword for each label to avoid that. But, due to a shortcoming in Thunderbird, it doesn't converter keywords set by another client to tags.

    Sylpheed uses mbox for storage and exporting/importing. Claws Mail (uses Sylpheed as a backend) does too I think.

    The main downside of Sylpheed is that it doesn't support IMAP IDLE. It also doesn't support composing in HTML (if that's your thing). Besides that though, it's really nice.

    BTW: Thunderbird has a support mailing list that's helpful. https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-thunderbird.

  • @burnout426 I just did something interesting....

    I had to log into my domains webmail and create a folder / or as Opera would call a tag

    I then closed my browser and opened Opera Mail and dragged an email into this test "tag" / folder

    closed O MAIL

    I then opened up thunderbird and set up a dummy profile with my domain account set up as IMAP

    when everything downloaded the folder named TEST showed up and that one email was in the folder...

    So I guess thunderbird now sees that tag as a folder if you're using a different email client?

  • When you create a folder in your webmail, it's creating an IMAP folder. Opera shows IMAP folders for an account as views under the you@example.com access point in the mail panel for an IMAP account. Those are not labels in Opera. Opera doesn't have tags (but Opera's labels are like Thunderbird's tags).

    Now, in Opera, if you create a label named "test" and go into its properties and set "test" its IMAP keyword and drag a message into that label, it'll set the "test" keyword on the message on the server where supporting clients will recognize it and create a tag/label. You can try if Thunderbird does that. However, it usually only works if you set the tag in Thunderbird where when Opera recognizes it, it automatically creates a label for it.

  • @burnout426 I know its late here.... 11 PM here, but how do you create a label in thunderbird?

    I am just testing things out.

    Thanks!
    C

  • @burnout426 I dont think Fastmail likes Labels....

    I opened Opera Mail

    put my mouse over INBOX

    right click

    NEW LABEL

    Named it TESTING

    Right clicked on TESTING and went to properties

    Went to the IMAP tab and in that box I named it TESTING

    I then dragged an email into TESTING

    opened up my fastmail webmail and there's nothing there called testing ? The email still shows its in the inbox

  • @cwm030 said in 0PERA MAIL -- If worse comes to worse:

    but how do you create a label in thunderbird?

    It's called a "tag" in Thunderbird. You just click the Tag button on the toolbar and pick one of the default tags to apply it to a message or selection of messages. There's a "new tag" option in there to create your own tag. For best IMAP compatibility use don't use any white-space or special characters in a tag name. Just use a-z and 0-9.

  • @cwm030 said in 0PERA MAIL -- If worse comes to worse:

    The email still shows its in the inbox

    It should show that it's still in the Inbox. The message just now has the "TESTING" keyword attached to it. Fastmail should have no problem with keywords. It has been highly-tested with Opera too. I just forget if there's any UI in the webmail to make use of keywords. Fastmail doesn't have free accounts anymore, so I can't test.

  • @burnout426 Yes, I now see them tagged in thunderbird........

    But what I do if I don't want to see them in my INBOX ? Their tagged but still in my inbox?

    as seen here: https://imgur.com/a/8MalP

    Thanks,
    C

  • @cwm030 said in 0PERA MAIL -- If worse comes to worse:

    But what I do if I don't want to see them in my INBOX ?

    In Opera, you'd go in the label's properties and set "hide these messages from other views". Then for each view you didn't want to see them in, click on the "settings for this view" button on the message list toolbar and make sure "show hidden" is unchecked.

    In Thunderbird, right-click on the toolbar and goto "customize". Then, drag the "views" drop-down button to the toolbar. Then, for each folder you're viewing, you can set a certain view. In this case, you'd create a custom view with the criteria "tags isn't empty".

  • @burnout426 For some reason that last part isn't working.... I don't know what im doing wrong... But I guess its a good thing I use O.

    https://imgur.com/a/Kj2Ic

    Thanks,
    CM

  • In Thunderbird, click the view drop-down on the toolbar, goto "customize" and then click "new". There you can create a new tag. You seem to be somewhere else messing with a filter and a header search or something.

    Edit: Have to go for now.

  • @burnout426 said in 0PERA MAIL -- If worse comes to worse:

    For best IMAP compatibility use don't use any white-space or special characters in a tag name. Just use a-z and 0-9.

    That means all of my tags have to look like this https://imgur.com/a/dmWRD

    😞

    Thanks,
    C

  • @burnout426 said in 0PERA MAIL -- If worse comes to worse:

    you'd create a custom view with the criteria "tags isn't empty"

    I mean "is" instead of "isn't".

  • @cwm030 said in 0PERA MAIL -- If worse comes to worse:

    That means all of my tags have to look like this https://imgur.com/a/dmWRD

    You mean, nested? If so, they don't have to be nested. If you mean one word, then yes, for best compat. But, I forgot to mention that you should be able to get away with using _ for a space to at least make the label names look better.

    The idea is to have the label name and its keyword be exactly the same. But, you don't have to. You can name the label whatever you want and just make sure the keyword has no spaces etc. The downside to that is that if a client auto-creates a label/tag based on a new keyword it recognizes, it'll use the keyword for the label/tag name, which will be different than the desired name. As in, label/tag names are synced between clients, the keywords specifically are. The difference is more of an issue in Opera than Thunderbird.