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question for those who are complaining about the new Opera

  • How long did it take to get to the old opera version 12 with all of its features?

    Sorry my bad english

  • Here's a better question.

    How long did it take to drop all of those features?

  • Here's a better question.
    How long did it take to drop all of those features?

    Actually, your question is not particularly a good one but the OP's is legitimate. It took years to develop the final version of Presto and the new browser is only months old. In other words... give it time. Features are being returned so have more patience.

  • How long did it take to get to the old opera version 12 with all of its features?
    Sorry my bad english

    Mmmmh, the feature i need (m2) was there from when i started using opera - maybe 2002 or somehwat ?
    Maybe someone can correct me.

  • How long did it take to drop all of those features?
    Not that your question brings any meaningful point to the discussion, but if we consider all the years having compatibility problems and the hard work (spending resources) developing an engine which duplicates functionality they could already borrow from elsewhere (and with that getting new enhancements like hardware (GPU) acceleration and multiprocess architecture ready, not to mention the continuously advancing web standards support and performance) I say it took quite long. (I'll assume you know the old UI is not compatible with the new engine.)

  • How long did it take to get to the old opera version 12 with all of its features?
    Sorry my bad english
    Mmmmh, the feature i need (m2) was there from when i started using opera - maybe 2002 or somehwat ?
    That's not the question. The question is, for example, how much time it took for Opera Mail to be developed integrated in the browser and up until the quality level it has in Opera 12.1x(?)

    As you can see this is a very hard question, and poses a big problem for anyone trying to compare its speed of improvement to the new Opera speed of improvement (the team size is different, the things they have to work on are different, the priorities are different and were different on different stages/versions of the app development [e.g. Opera Mail received improvements in version 11 but not in version 10], the goals are different [e.g. M2 and many other features aren't intended to come back integrated], etc).

    One answer regarding M2, which would be correct, is "it took about 17 years", but that obviously wouldn't be fair or serve to compare to anything.

  • Here's a better question.
    How long did it take to drop all of those features?

    Actually, your question is not particularly a good one but the OP's is legitimate. It took years to develop the final version of Presto and the new browser is only months old. In other words... give it time. Features are being returned so have more patience.

    That is what I mean, we have to give time to the developers, the new opera is getting better and better.

  • ... give it time. Features are being returned so have more patience.

    That is what I mean, we have to give time to the developers, the new opera is getting better and better.

    Exactly. But then the whiners... the power-users... the self-proclaimed old guard wouldn't have anything to complain about. They want their free browser NOW and they want to dictate exactly how it should be.

  • we wouldn't have a bookmarks bar if no body complained about bookmarks.

  • we wouldn't have a bookmarks bar if no body complained about bookmarks.

    But they do not need to say that the new browser sucks because it does not have what they want, do they?

  • we wouldn't have a bookmarks bar if no body complained about bookmarks.

    And because of those people complaining that they wanted back something faded to be past soon, probably other (more) interesting features/resources had to be delayed.

  • we wouldn't have a bookmarks bar if no body complained about bookmarks.

    A lot of the threads here are not constructive, though. All those people say is: "Uuuh! new Opera sucks ass! We want old Opera! New Opera is stupid and the developers are stupid too!!!1"
    It's like they don't realise that the developers are working on bringing all those features back. It just takes time.

  • we wouldn't have a bookmarks bar if no body complained about bookmarks.

    A lot of the threads here are not constructive, though. All those people say is: "Uuuh! new Opera sucks ass! We want old Opera! New Opera is stupid and the developers are stupid too!!!1"
    It's like they don't realise that the developers are working on bringing 'some of' those features back. It just takes time.

    Corrected.

  • Exactly. But then the whiners... the power-users... the self-proclaimed old guard wouldn't have anything to complain about. They want their free browser NOW and they want to dictate exactly how it should be.

    Leushino, you are a tool of the highest caliber (and that is not a compliment). I - and many others - would gladly have paid to keep Presto going. Your baseless strawman accusations are becoming overbearing and tiresome. Give it a rest some time.

  • I second to that jito.

    From what I'm reading here and on http://blogs.opera.com/desktop/ seems like Opera is a lost cause.

    Maybe we should stop wasting our time with these guys if all they want to hear is themselves. Seems like they really love their new 1.23% market share while advising their shrinking user-base to be patient (and dumb) or get lost. Way to go!

  • Devs on the opera blogs dont listen to the people who use Opera the most which is thier dedicated "Former" user base. Opera has been my main browser since about 2002, the browser I used 100% of the time, I've even paid for thier versions of opera because they deserved the money for making such a great browser. As of today I have no need for ANY Opera, I dont like the new version and I'm not really a big fan of Chrome either, the new Opera isnt even compatable with Chrome extensions like the other incarnations of Chrome are which would at least make the new Opera a little more tolerable. I have Uninstalled the new Opera as well as the old one which is Opera 12.16 or whatever, I dont need the new browser or the old outdated one, I'm finished with opera, My main browser now is comodo Ice Dragon, which is highly configureable and use the Auto-Sort Bookmarks extension that sorts the bookmarks as well as Opera 12.16 did. For Chrome incarnations I use Comodo Dragon and SRWare Iron is another one I've been using for a few years now, I really do Highly recommend Comodo Ice Dragon as the perfect replacement for any Opera you use as it's built in security makes it safer than any Chrome, Firefox or Internet Explorer you use and is highly user configurable, it's also a browser I think im in love with now. I have no expectations that Opera will make a version that will draw me back, If I need a limited featureless browser I have a tablet I can surf the net on, but I dont need it on my desktop. I wont even use Opera on my tablet, I use UC Browser HD on it. I hope that helped anyone struggling to make a decision to move on, because I did and I have no regrets :)

  • There is an Opera extension you can download which then makes Opera compatible with Chrome extensions. So far, it has worked fine for me. I can go to the Chrome store with my Opera 20 and download Chrome extensions. I'm not sure i follow your complaint there.

  • Colderwinters, let me ask you one thing: the first version of the old opera was perfect without bugs amd with all the features (features that was added till final version 12)?

  • Colderwinters, let me ask you one thing: the first version of the old opera was perfect without bugs amd with all the features (features that was added till final version 12)?

    Sydneyneto, If you've followed the blog forums, the devs say they have no plans to add the things thier users have asked for, no plans at all for proper bookmarks because they say 98% of the users dont need them,which is why theres also no export bookmarks function, I have just about all my downloads from 2002 or earlier burned to disks, I can install Opera 3.0 and it will have more features than this new browser does, even when i was using 3.0 I had no gripes about it. Sydneyneto, I dont know why you are such a big fan of this new Opera, when it's usability is far less than any other browser out there, tell me what you love about this browser so much, I want to hear your talking points on what makes this new browser so great. Maybe I'm missing something but I dont think so.

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