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  • The devs are developing their own browser.

    It doesn't look like they really are. The actual facts show that there is very little to no progress whatsoever with Chropera, just as not a lot of differences between Chrome and Opera 20. Or at least let's say between Opera 20 and Yandex Browser/Coolnovo/Torch/whatever other Chromium-forked browser.

    Wrong... but then, why doesn't that surprise me.

    First off, there is no Chropera. If I put that into a search engine, nothing substantial comes up other than the crazy imaginings of whiners and complainers. I can find Chrome, Chromium, Safari, Firefox, Seamonkey, Internet Explorer, Opera and several other lesser-known browsers but no Chropera. Sorry... you're mistaken on several counts.

  • The devs are developing their own browser.

    It doesn't look like they really are. The actual facts show that there is very little to no progress whatsoever with Chropera, just as not a lot of differences between Chrome and Opera 20. Or at least let's say between Opera 20 and Yandex Browser/Coolnovo/Torch/whatever other Chromium-forked browser.

    Wrong... but then, why doesn't that surprise me.
    First off, there is no Chropera. If I put that into a search engine, nothing substantial comes up other than the crazy imaginings of whiners and complainers. I can find Chrome, Chromium, Safari, Firefox, Seamonkey, Internet Explorer, Opera and several other lesser-known browsers but no Chropera. Sorry... you're mistaken on several counts.

    I must agree with you 🙂

  • The devs are developing their own browser.

    It doesn't look like they really are. The actual facts show that there is very little to no progress whatsoever with Chropera, just as not a lot of differences between Chrome and Opera 20. Or at least let's say between Opera 20 and Yandex Browser/Coolnovo/Torch/whatever other Chromium-forked browser.

    Wrong... but then, why doesn't that surprise me.
    First off, there is no Chropera. If I put that into a search engine, nothing substantial comes up other than the crazy imaginings of whiners and complainers. I can find Chrome, Chromium, Safari, Firefox, Seamonkey, Internet Explorer, Opera and several other lesser-known browsers but no Chropera. Sorry... you're mistaken on several counts.

    Chropera is that word made up by whiners. They think they are so clever when they use "Chropera." The maturity of 3 year olds.

  • @leushino

    there is no Chropera

    Sure there is... Chropera is that joke some humorists came up with, the one that tries to look like good old Opera browser and utilize its name yet de-facto has nothin really to do with it. Well maybe that's not Chropera, but sure as hell that's not Opera neither.

  • I've been using opera for about a decade and a half. I've been an avid spokesman for using it, converting others. Opera has always been about being at the forefront of novel features. I've used the heck out of:

    Tabbed browsing (since the onset)
    Sessions (this is brilliant) and its associated history
    Undo (whoops, didn't mean to close that tab!) - also brilliant
    Single-key browsing (why is this off by default in the last releases up to 12!??!!!!)
    Right-click "close all but active"
    Amazing crash recovery (continue from where I left off)
    Efficient memory use (seems to be dead already by Opera 12, though)
    Eventually, speed dial.

    And, of course, this whole time I used bookmarks.

    I loved Presto for many reasons but #1 because it wasn't the browser in the cross-hairs of hackers (and wasn't a product of Google).

    This new Opera is everything I could possibly hate in a browser and is simply not Opera. It's a disgrace to even call it "Opera". It should be another product name.

    I'm stuck on Opera 12 / Presto until either (1) It becomes so grossly incompatible that it's useless for day-to-day work --or-- (2) The new "Opera" adds back in 90% of what made Opera great.

    The only thing great really going for me is that a huge amount of sites I visit are, by nature, unlikely to adopt the latest standards and thus will remain compatible with Presto for a long time.

    Plain and simple, the new Opera alienates its existing users and makes absolutely no compelling case for anyone else to switch to it. Bringing back the old features like the ones I've listed isn't a "should", it's a "must".

    My questions is, does dropping Presto really require dropping all these features? If so, Opera is 5 minutes past flat-lined on a cool day. Either defibrillate Opera 12 before the brain damage sets in, or call it DOA. 'cause right now it's headed straight to hell.

  • There are always going to be fanboys, and stooges (who usually work FOR the company) posting opinions online flaming those who aren't happy with the latest, not-necessarily-greatest product. There are also going to be disgruntled users and stooges working for opposing products badmouthing the current product. I still feel compelled to express my opinion about opera. I started using so long ago (1998? 1999?) I don't remember the version. It was streamlined, loaded MUCH faster than internet exploiter, and had some great features. Unfortunately it seems as if the latest versions have been introducing changes just for the sake of change, or to make it easier to support more changes in the future. I saw a post somewhere claiming that 95% of opera users dont use bookmarks, which I find extremely hard to believe. I'm staying on 12 because I DO use bookmarks. Of course there are other reasons, too many to list, but the fake statistic justifying the removal of bookmarks is a great example of why many aren't happy with the direction opera is taking. Im not going to call it "Nope-era", like some have done. I just think whomever is deciding upon the direction this browser is taking may want to consider at least leaving the functionality of some of the features of older browswers. Have them disabled by default, but allow us to re-enable them.

  • @leushino

    there is no Chropera

    Sure there is... Chropera is that joke some humorists came up with, the one that tries to look like good old Opera browser and utilize its name yet de-facto has nothin really to do with it. Well maybe that's not Chropera, but sure as hell that's not Opera neither.

    You appear to be in the wrong forum. I think you'll be much happier in a Mozilla forum. Just remember to try and be positive over there or you'll be as appreciated as you are here.

  • to adopt the latest standards and thus will remain compatible with Presto for a long time.

    Plain and simple, the new Opera alienates its existing users and makes absolutely no compelling case for anyone else to switch to it. Bringing back the old features like the ones I've listed isn't a "should", it's a "must".
    My questions is, does dropping Presto really require dropping all these features? If so, Opera is 5 minutes past flat-lined on a cool day. Either defibrillate Opera 12 before the brain damage sets in, or call it DOA. 'cause right now it's headed straight to hell.

    Actually, you're incorrect. The new Opera alienates "some" of its former user base and most of those have had the good sense to move on to something else. If you have questions regarding features that have been dropped by the developers, ask THEM. They are the only ones who can give you a definitive answer. They seldom visit these forums which are meant to help users of Opera with the browser.

    http://blogs.opera.com/desktop/

    http://dev.opera.com/

  • Indeed... Opera IS heading in the right direction and will undoubtedly gain new users in the process. A week back Bruce Lawson wrote a nice piece on Opera Blink's first birthday. Catch it here:
    http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/happy-first-birthday-to-blink/

    Blink birthday not Opera Blink one.

  • @blackbird71
    So I finally tried installing v12.14 and the first site it crashed on was this very website: the Opera forums.
    I guess sometimes you just can't win. Maybe I'll just stop browsing the internet completely. Seems to cause too many headaches these days.

  • Try Opera v.20. It's perfectly stable and very usable.

  • @blackbird71
    So I finally tried installing v12.14 and the first site it crashed on was this very website: the Opera forums.
    I guess sometimes you just can't win. ...

    Was it the 32 or the 64-bit form of 12.14? I do know there have been many reports that the 64-bit Opera versions seem to show more instability than the 32-bit forms later in the Presto series. Personally, I don't recall ever crashing 12.14, 32-bit on an Opera website - ever. In fact, I've only encountered a 12.14 crash on any site just a couple of times, and those were sites that users were reporting as crashing the browser. In my case, I'm using Win7-64 bit, which could be a factor.

    Another thing to consider is to make sure the 12.14 installation goes into a differently-named folder than any earlier Opera version. Installing a new version into the same-named folder as a prior Opera installation will auto-import intentionally left-behind Opera user files into the new installation, and if there's something in those left-behind files that's corrupted or set to an unstable state, that problem will get carried into the new installation as well.

  • [Please don't post the same comment all over the forums and also don't hijack non related topics. ]

  • Please don't post the same comment all over the forums and also don't hijack non related topics. ]

    @salonpas23, it would help avoid confusion if you indicate to whom you're directing your comments. Put their name behind an ampersand symbol at the start of your message... here and in other threads.

  • I would love for Opera to bring back all of the features for 12.16 that browser was and still is a god send.

  • Nothing to bring back. 12.16 is still there. But everything has a cost. In Opera blink you could load Opera 20, for example, with features and slow it down. I think the idea is to not do that, leave the features to extensions, and leave it to the user to decide whether the feature is worth the cost.

    Now to use Opera 12.16, and save Opera 20 for those difficult sites is not a terrible thing. Keep both browsers active. I go the other way, because I prefer the new features in Opera 20, but I still have Opera 12.16 loaded and ready to go.

  • I think the idea is to not do that, leave the features to extensions, and leave it to the user to decide whether the feature is worth the cost.

    I think this is the best interpretation of the situation. Build your browser by adding whatever features you wish via extensions. For me that includes three and three only.

  • You only have three extensions? Yipes. I have a modest 20. 🙂 Care to share with us what 3 are soooooo good you had to take them.

  • Oops. I just checked and there are four: Adblock, Ghostery, Lastpass and Pocket.

  • The thing I noticed about these posts are the opinions about Opera both pro and con... with one glaring exception:

    This leushino person is telling people how to think and act. Just pointing his finger and demanding how you should think.

    Everybody is discussing Opera. He just likes to beat people up. Not sure how that is acceptable behavior on this forum.

    I also posted here last night mentioning my opinion of the person and it somehow "magically" disappeared.

    How is that possible? Gotta be a connection between leushino and the moderators. How else can this happen??

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