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No other browser ever left us without bookmarks!!!!

  • Bookmarks is an essential function of ANY internet browser, so without bookmarks, funtionatlity goes to hell !!

    As i say in the title, NO other browser has ever abandon users leavin them WITHOUT bookmarks no matter how many times they updated or redesign their product......bookmarks were ALWAYS there !!!!

    IE - Chrome - Safari - Firefox - Avant - pale moonlight - lunascape

    If opera is a good browser, yes it was and is as it concerns the way it works and behaves.......but no bookmarks for over a year now????? I think this is not only dissapointing, but speaks a lot about what those devs take seriously or not... they surely don't respect users, no matter how many have complained about this, and i have seen MANY of them who have every right to be furious about it..

    A good name can easily turn to bad when u remove usefull features......Opera has just began to fall, cause not havin such feature the way u r supposed to, it's not just a detail.....it's essential ! Patience has limits, and those people there just crossed the line.

  • Well, Opera has always been ahead of its time. :-)

  • Opera 19 is not without bookmarks. There are speed dials, stash, and a bookmarks bar.

  • Pesala, am i supposed to take this answer as a smart one? bookmarks from bookmarks bar is NOT the same at all

    And who told u i want to have opened an extra tab just to switch to it when i want to go to another link? and who told u that i want my bookmarks in dial?

    I really hate such answers, i didn't ask for substitutes, i asked for bookmarks the way every browser has it, not for alchemy. U may go and do tricks for your bookmarks if u want.

  • Pesala, am i supposed to take this answer as a smart one? bookmarks from bookmarks bar is NOT the same at all
    And who told u i want to have opened an extra tab just to switch to it when i want to go to another link? and who told u that i want my bookmarks in dial?
    I really hate such answers, i didn't ask for substitutes, i asked for bookmarks the way every browser has it, not for alchemy. U may go and do tricks for your bookmarks if u want.

    It really is a poor response. QAB/bookmarks bar is nothing new, every browser had one and I don't know many people that used it over the traditional bookmarks menu and manager. I always use speed dial but only for often used links, packing every bookmark into it really does negate the "speed" of it.

    Opera has clearly taken their cues from the horrid new Windows 8 tiles for accessibility so you can't even say that they are ahead of the curve.

  • I personally like the new way of bookmarking. And evidently according to Opera's own polls, most Opera users did not use bookmarks on a regular basis. You're either going to have to adapt your way of bookmarking, continue with the older version of Opera or find another browser.

  • @alreadybanned

    Your rant claiming that Opera was without bookmarks is a lie. If you make such false claims, don't expect it to be overlooked. Yes, we know what you want — a menu, import/export, and a manager — but it doesn't excuse SHOUTING and ranting. You have not been left without bookmarks and you do not have to open a new tab to access them on the Bookmarks Bar. You have no excuse to be furious about anything. Just use Opera 12 if you cannot manage without your favourite features.

    I almost never used the menu in Opera 11 or 12 (except for some very frequently used local files that I know the Access keys for by heart). I did use the panels to find older bookmarks, but for the commonly used ones I use the Bookmarks Bar. It is adequate for now in Opera 19. Proper bookmarks are not a priority as there are many other features that users need first.

    http://blogs.opera.com/desktop/2014/02/opera-21-today/#comment-1256495634

  • Pesala and Leushino, it looks u two are two defenders of the opera universe (perhaps they pay u), and no one needs your opinions, i personally give a shit about your suggestions cause u don't suggest anythin usefull, u r tryin to force ppl to accept any change is done by opera!

    Go home and suicide better, the rest of us come here to report our complains which is what forums are for, if we had no problems, we would not be here,nor we have mood to come here every few days and waste time to those who don't listen as it seems, but since we have problems , we come here to speak about them, if u like the new shitty ways of opera, it's your choice, it won't be our choice too just because u want to defend those failure devs who play with our nerves

    We want the common way that universaly users use bookmarks and no gay style tricks or dials or stashes or login in opera link to gain access to a mess, if people use bookmarks often or rare, is not same for all, it differs for every user, but frequency is not your concern neither those devs concern..it's OUR concern how and when we will use bookmarks

    Take your disgusting fake suggestions out OFF my topic u two, i have written this topic for the devs to see and for those who need classic bookmarks back like we have them in every other browser, if we will continue to use opera or not, is up to us, we don't need your useless advice, weasels like you make me sick.

  • according to Opera's own polls, most Opera users did not use bookmarks on a regular basis. You're either going to have to adapt your way of bookmarking, continue with the older version of Opera or find another browser.

    hahahaha, yeah, that's what "they" said.

    I like many long time Opera users find that laughable. Browser usage stats seem to reflect that as well because there has been a decline in Opera users after the initial curiosity of the first webkit release. The overwhelming response from most, you guessed it, lack of bookmarks.

    I see sycophants are towing the company line now, lets see how far that pompous attitude gets you if users are told to look elsewhere. smh

    sources
    http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers

  • @alreadybanned
    Your rant claiming that Opera was without bookmarks is a lie. If you make such false claims, don't expect it to be overlooked. Yes, we know what you want — a menu, import/export, and a manager — but it doesn't excuse SHOUTING and ranting. You have not been left without bookmarks and you do not have to open a new tab to access them on the Bookmarks Bar. You have no excuse to be furious about anything. Just use Opera 12 if you cannot manage without your favourite features.
    I almost never used the menu in Opera 11 or 12 (except for some very frequently used local files that I know the Access keys for by heart). I did use the panels to find older bookmarks, but for the commonly used ones I use the Bookmarks Bar. It is adequate for now in Opera 19. Proper bookmarks are not a priority as there are many other features that users need first.
    http://blogs.opera.com/desktop/2014/02/opera-21-today/#comment-1256495634

    what? where did I say Opera doesn't have bookmarks? I made the factual points clear enough for most
    so this is for you:
    Bookmarks bar - yes
    Stash/Speed dial- yes
    Boomarks menu - nope
    Bookmarks manager - nope

    I'm talking about my experience with browsers and you, you try making things personal. So really, who's the one ranting? It's not my fault if the truth is too loud for you but THIS IS SHOUTING and that's not what I did. Your tears are salty

  • ps. the (lack of)formatting on this forum sucks as it doesn't respect properly structured paragraphs

  • It doesn't really matter anymore. Although I'd agree changing the old bookmark system seems odd, Opera Blink is so different to Presto to not really be a replacement. Get the bookmark manager back and there's still a host of missing features that distinguished Opera from the rest. People showing frustration doesn't surprise me, it was inevitable, but we don't have to abandon Presto yet anyway. When the time comes I'll do what I did years ago and look for what I think the best browser available.

  • @alreadybanned

    Sorry, it spyros78 I meant to reply to. He was shouting and making false claims about Opera not having bookmarks.

    This forum sucks due to lack of proper formatting, quoting, etc., as you said.

    @spyros78

    Your opinions are worthless if you cannot express them without shouting and lies. If you want the old style bookmarks, just use the old Opera. That's what I am doing. Leushino is a fanboy of Opera 19, but I agree with you guys that its not ready for use yet. What I don't agree with is your way of expressing your opinions.

    What rights do you have, actually? How much did you pay for this browser? How many hours of your time did you give to beta testing or helping users on the previous My Opera forums?

  • Sigh...! @spyros78, your original post mentioned "bookmarks" and only "bookmarks", repeatedly - not "bookmark manager" and not "bookmarks toolbar." In that post, you did not specify where those "missing" bookmarks you complained about should appear, nor whether/how they should be managed. While you may hate the answer you got, @pesala's response precisely applied to the terminology you used in that first post and informed you that "bookmarks" did in fact exist, and where they can be displayed.

    If the response you received was not to your satisfaction, perhaps you'd be better served to word your posts better or more accurately with less exaggeration. On the other hand, if you only wanted to ventilate your frustration by stirring up the usual hate and discontent among forum readers, and attacking anyone who challenged you, then you've probably achieved that. Enjoy your success.

  • I really cannot follow the discussion: spyros78 you are saying, that there are no bookmarks, but I have the bookmarks line with bookmarks and bookmarks folders in Opera 20 and it works perfect!

    Why the hell can you say this???

    It is not different from Firefox, Chrome ore all other browsers.

  • @Pesala: I'm not a "fanboy" of Opera 19. What I "am" trying to do (evidently without success) is defend Opera from pointless attacks which includes lies and distortions of the truth. why? For the simple reason that it is the right thing to do. Opera has freely provided software and superb services for me and others for years. My usage of Opera dates back to 1999... that's fifteen years of free software and services that I appreciate (well... I paid for one version and accepted the ads in a couple of versions). One could argue that Opera does not need defending and possibly that is true. For reasons I'm not fully aware of myself, I resent the lies and distortions that some users bring to the Opera forums and I try to counter them with truth as I see it.

  • Sigh...! @spyros78, your original post mentioned "bookmarks" and only "bookmarks", repeatedly - not "bookmark manager" and not "bookmarks toolbar." In that post, you did not specify where those "missing" bookmarks you complained about should appear, nor whether/how they should be managed. While you may hate the answer you got, @pesala's response precisely applied to the terminology you used in that first post and informed you that "bookmarks" did in fact exist, and where they can be displayed.
    If the response you received was not to your satisfaction, perhaps you'd be better served to word your posts better or more accurately with less exaggeration. On the other hand, if you only wanted to ventilate your frustration by stirring up the usual hate and discontent among forum readers, and attacking anyone who challenged you, then you've probably achieved that. Enjoy your success.

    English is not the first language for many so things often get lost in translation. However, it seemed clear to me what spyros issue is and if some were not being so defensive they might have seen it too and engaged in a better discussion rather than a semantic one

  • I think Opera's treatment of bookmarks is still bad. You can get a personal bookmarks bar, but no bookmarks menu item. A personal bookmarks bar is fine for the bookmarks you go to often. But if you have a lot of bookmarks, you need a menu item, which only shows the full range of bookmarks and bookmark folders, when you click on it. All of the competing major browsers, Firefox, Chrome, Internet Explorer, have BOTH a personal bookmarks bar, and a bookmarks menu item for all of one's bookmarks (and which is concealed, for a vertical display when clicked on). The ability to put bookmarks in a speed dial is worthless for me. It's aesthetically not pleasing, and I don't want to take up limited space in the speed dial by using it. And Opera's speed dial only gives you one page.

    What I can't figure out is why Opera is soooooo slow in giving ADEQUATE treatment to bookmarks. Now that is my opinion, because this subject is getting very frustrating. Now mind you, I"m an Opera fan from way back. And I bought my version of Opera, when it was for sale. I preferred to the free versions. So far, Opera 20 has taken many steps backwards, in order to change/update the browser engine. I would think they should have just kept it as a beta, unitl it contained essential features. We can debate whether it does or it doesn't. It is a question of personal taste. But an awful lot of users are frustrated that Opera 20 still lacks basic stuff -- like how about the ability to right click on a web page, and have a context menu come up, that lets you call up the Compose Panel of your default email program, and let you send the link to that page (or the page), or an option for both (as Internet Explorer does).

    The falling off of Opera is even evidenced by the Forum, where you used to have emotes, the ability to edit stuff after it was posted, etc.

  • “Why is development of bookmarks so slow?”

    It's all about priorities: People want a Linux version, which will, of course, also be missing the features they really want like mail or notes.

    http://blogs.opera.com/desktop/2014/02/opera-21-today/#comment-1256495634

    Extensions can give you a bookmark menu if you really need it.

  • ... The falling off of Opera is even evidenced by the Forum, where you used to have ... the ability to edit stuff after it was posted, etc.

    You can still edit your posts for a half hour after they're initially posted. Out at the right of your new post's grey header bar that contains your avatar, name and date, there will be a 'gear' symbol just to the left of the dark grey quotation mark... click on that to bring up a small, black rectangular edit/timer box beneath the gear, then click in that black box and your post's text should appear in the edit/comment box beneath the post. (NOTE: sometimes, you may have to refresh the page after initially posting or after posting an edited post to make that edit/timer box appear when clicking on the 'gear'... at least, I do when using Firefox). After the initial half hour expires, the 'gear' symbol will go away, leaving only the quotation mark, and the post will thereafter be unable to be edited.

    To post the edited post, click on the grey "Save Comment" box at the lower right of the edit/comment box containing your text.

    The thing I really, really, really want to see in the new forums is a "WYSIWYG preview" option, so that I don't have to do so much editing. A 'signature' feature would also be nice too.


    OS: Win 7-64 SP1 -- Web Browsers: Opera 12.14u, 11.52; Firefox 27; Qupzilla 1.4.2; IE8

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