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  • Just take an example of Windows 8. Microsoft removed the Start Button, with fancy Metro interface and see the user's outrage. That one over smart move by Microsoft has affected their sales and thus the revenue.

    Had Opera been a trialware / shareware, the company would have incurred huge losses by now.

  • Stash
    Tabs Hibernation
    Lazy Session Load
    Hung Plugin Monitor

    The Stash offers nothing you couldn't achieve just as well with bookmarks and sessions in Presto Opera, minus the screen shots.

    What is "Lazy Session Load" supposed to mean? Sessions as such don't exist anymore in Opera Blink. Currently open tabs can be saved only as a group of Speed Dial entries.

    Presto has the start-up options "Continue from last time" and "Continue from saved sessions". That's certainly no less useful than the 15+ setting "Open a specific page or set of pages".

    Individual processes for tabs - if that is what you call "tabs hibernation" - comes at the price of considerably increased RAM and CPU usage. Or do you mean pinned tabs? Presto Opera has them already.

    And more
    Not "more", but a whole lot less.

  • The NEW Opera is a much better product than 12.16, except for the missing features/functionality. Software companies never understand that you cannot take functionality out that Users use a lot (Like the missing toolbar in Windows 7 vs XP)

    I started using Opera Next a few months ago, and have gradually started to like it. Today I use it for about 90% of my work. I would give it a B+. It is definitely faster to load and unload, and to access web-pages and email, etc. I have not had any problems or crashes - as my Windows 7 x64 Notebook is setup like a TANK, and is totally up to date - without any garbage.

    STOP GRIPING about the Chrome Engine.

    Chrome Engine + ALL Opera Features = A GREAT PRODUCT.

    I still have 12.16, that I HAVE TO USE the remaining 10% of time - which is still slow.

    Things that I miss the most, and I am eagerly waiting for from the Opera Desktop Team are:

    1. The old Bookmarks - I have in excess of 8000+ bookmarks, as I am a technophile and a researcher,
    2. Old Tab Order, (saw it in experimental stuff, but do not want to mess with it - no time, no patience),
    3. An option similar to "Windows" to view the details of the open Tabs,
    4. The 'Key" icon to enter saved passwords - not so much, but do not like the lack of security without a "Master Password",
    5. RSS Feeds - can Opera make this into an extension, for those who need. I do not need the mail function - as I use web-based gmail,
    6. Synchronize still sucks big time - was never fixed in v12.xx, was working "sort of" in v11.xx. Everything used to work except Bookmarks.

    If Opera feels that Bookmarks and RSS feeds bloat the product they should release them as extensions - for users who NEED them.

    Other than that, I use a few extensions to get my job done. No other customizations.

  • Wanted to add one more item to my list of 6 above:

    Double click to close a Tab.

  • Hmmmmm... I stuck with Opera since the start and have been an advocate despite often having to resort to other browsers for certain site functionality. I love Opera. I haven't been whining and will let Opera go it's own way. I'll give this Opera Next a try but so far what I see is Chrome that retains the lack of compatibility of Opera. I still have to switch to Chrome, IE, Safari, or Firefox for certain sites.

    So, for loyalty and history, I'll keep watch over the company and try Opera Next as my primary browser. I fear that time will forget the magic that was Opera. I loved that browsing experience. That tab system still makes me smile.

  • Well, I do like the Opera Extension, "Download Chrome Extension." With it, you can use any extension in the Chrome store. Perhaps, a few missing customization features can be found there. I mean, the glass is either half empty 🙂 or it's half full. I'm starting to use Opera 20 more.

  • irony - whining about how other people whine

    Exactly.

    And Opera 2x is a simplistic toy for simpletons. That's as clearly as I can put it.

    And after this highly-touted paradigm shift with the new rendering/script engine - Opera marketshare is still virtually invisible.

    Yep, that worked-out real good.

  • Opera marketshare is still virtually invisible. Yep, that worked-out real good.
    Yep, because the only point of the switch is to get a load of users. And of course, the prediction was the new Opera would take the crown of the market share table in less than a year.

  • New Opera UI is not an Opera UI. just put your left thumb up and cover the top left corner of the browser, BOOM!, its chrome! wait, its FF! there is no unique distinction. you could say the icons are different and such, but in truth it's the same. I don't see the point of using opera if chrome is opera big bro.

    To say that the new UI is optimized is BS. It's conformity. I am using latest opera next and try getting around my usually browsing, 80% of the time i was like "What!?", want to duplicate a site, i automatically move my mouse down then up, "What!?", found some ads intensive sites," hmm.. i need to open this link", right click context menu then "open", "what!?" there's no "open" menu? only got "open link in...". So technically i need to close previous tab each time to get to the links i need.

    To more personal customization, i always have my tab bar bottom. i rarely touch navigation bar at all, F8 to type in address, mouse gesture to navigate like a boss, you can even minimize/maximize that certain tabs |http://i.imgur.com/Z1XTJmj.png| it's uses, i don't need to tell you, too many to count and the best part, just hold right click drag up then right release. If you want to login to any sites, already saved your login ID and passwords, just forward, don't need to find and click the login button. Bottom tab bar is way efficient, when you switched to other program and back to opera again, you always find you cursor cruising top bottom top again. It's not lazy it's efficiency, like mouse gesture is efficient, you can use navigation bar on the top, but mouse gesture there to navigate faster.

    My point, we need to whine. Whining is essential for progress. Even if opera turn a blind eye there will be other people who wants to bring back opera to it's original form, maybe through open source.

  • My point, we need to whine. Whining is essential for progress. Even if opera turn a blind eye there will be other people who wants to bring back opera to it's original form, maybe through open source.

    if you want to whine, fine, just do it, but you do not need to say like "the new browser sucks", say what you want in the new version. As you can see, it is taking time to the devs realese a update, maybe it will have big changes now

  • I must admit I never used a lot of the super customization. I prefer to have the faster minimalist browser, that will be better able to access sites, with much greater availability of extensions. And I do like some of the new features -- Speed Dial (with folders), Discover, Off Road Mode . . . But no one is wrong about this, EXCEPT 🙂 sidneyneto is right: it would be nice if people stopped trashing Opera blink, and just talked about what they would most like added to it (the top priorities for them) (let's be real). A free browser can't be everything for everyone. And some of the priority needs may be able to come with extensions. Why not? And it's more likely to show up in the Opera store, if Opera does well with Opera blink, and holds or increases its following. Undermining and trashing Opera in the forum discourages new users before they've really tried the browser. And some of these new users may not even have a need for the super customization -- are just looking for a fast, attractive browser, and may be discouraged by some of the flaming in the forum here, and then will look for a browser elsewhere. And a less viable Opera -- which loses people like that -- will be in less of a position (financially or otherwise) to add customization features. A browser succeeding in holding and/or increasing its market share may be able to do more.

  • Just for your information..

    What you call "whining" can be a constructive activity.

    It is perfectly alright to object to and complain about things you do not like.

    Then, when you have done that, sometimes the only choice is to talk away (stop using it).

    But there is no point in walking away before you have voiced your opinion.

    More to the point: I said in a different topic:

    Opera 12 is a Power Mac / Mac Pro.
    Opera 2x is a Mac Mini.

    When Apple introduced the Mac Mini, did they call it "Mac Pro version 20"? No, of course not. And you can still buy a Mac Pro, next to a Mac Mini.

    Point being that Opera Next and Opera Classic are two different products and deserve separate development, while using the same new rendering engine.

    Opera Classic can use a user interface overhaul too, by the way. But Opera Classic is a power tool.

    So what I'm saying is: instead of demanding power features for Opera Next, demand a revamp of Opera Classic.

    And demand that they stop using the same version system for two different products. Opera Next is not Opera Classic version 20!!!!!

  • Opera Classic, as you put it, will NOT be revamped. It's over and done with - dead in a word. There is no way the company is going to reverse its decision at this point so get used to that fact. The reality is this: Opera has retooled... many of the former devs are gone AND those who have remained have either been reassigned OR were behind the change in the first place. Remember what Haavard told us: this was NOT a business decision but rather one instituted by the developers themselves. As I see it, there are only a few reasonable paths to take:

    • keep the older Presto version and run the newer version along with it (this would include making feature suggestions in the Suggestion forum as well as in the developer blogs
    • throw your support solely behind the new version and try and duplicate as many missing features as you need by adding extensions from both Opera and the Chrome store
    • finding another browser such as Firefox or Seamonkey which will come as close to your former Presto browser as possible.

    Whining here and in particular ridiculing the Opera Team and demeaning their efforts by renaming the browser only ensures your views will be dismissed and in the end will prove counter-productive.

    Oh... and yes. I'm being paid boat loads of money by Opera.

  • You come across as really confused, leushino. Or maybe it is me who is confused, because you are confusing the heaven into me. 😉

    What are you bitching about Suggestion forums and developer blogs? What does a user's choice have to do with development paths? Each person has its own setup, and that is wholly unrelated to any form of development or improvement.

    I really think you are just expressing a "boat load" of frustration about the way Opera has gone. Yeah, you think you are frustrated with users who are complaining, but that's not what's really going on.

    "We made a choice and if you don't like it and express that you don't like it, I'm gonna sulk and call you a meanie".

    Boy, you really believe that Opera users owe you their allegiance and loyalty and are required by moral law to support you in your attempt to outdo Microsoft with their fabulous Windows 8 "let's see how hard we can really fuck with our users" strategy.

    Repeating the mantra that "A decision has been made and it's not ever going to change" does not suddenly make you look like a smart guy. Quite the opposite.

    Someome needs to tell you that you are messing up. Ideally, thousands of people. And this is what they are doing. Now go back to bed and mommy will tell you a story that does have a happy ending.

  • hmm.. i need to open this link", right click context menu then "open", "what!?" there's no "open" menu? only got "open link in...". So technically i need to close previous tab each time to get to the links i need.
    Do you know how to click with the left mouse button?

  • The lack of the |open| option is pretty irritating. Left click opens in a new tab based on the web site code however in Presto there was always the option to over-ride web site code to the pleasure of the person browsing.

    I am still trying Next as a primary browser however it is simply not up to snuff. It's quite saddening as Opera was once the best. 😞

  • Left click opens in a new tab based on the web site code however in Presto there was always the option to over-ride web site code to the pleasure of the person browsing.

    Nope, there wasn't/isn't. The only way to do that was through an userjs, the "reuse current tab" option was not related to this.

  • Nope, there wasn't/isn't.
    Nope, there was. The command @kersus mentioned works just like he/she said, it overrides "target=". Still, @elvennoia didn't mention this feature in his/her comment. 😛

  • Nope, there was. The command kersus mentioned works just like he/she said, it overrides "target=".

    And which command was that?

  • The first one in hyperlinked text context menu (right-click), "Open".