Hmm, I like this "Chopera" name, it's appropriate.

I'm one of the people who thinks Opera Next stinks.

I see virtually nothing of use with it that anything else does not have, and they removed 85% of the things that made Opera wonderful.

Personally I think if they wanted a simple toy browser for simple toy people, they should have kept all the original features internally but defaulted the browser to "stupid mode", where it looks just like the new one.

If you needed a REAL browser, you could click a discreet button, whereupon you would be presented with a math test: to add 2 + 2. If you answered the correct answer of "4", you get to use the traditional features.

Opera 12 has the BEST bookmark feature of any browser. Opera whateveritisthisweek has the WORST bookmark functionality of any browser.

You want me to put thousands of bookmarks in "speed dials"??? AH HAH AHAHAHA AHHAHAHA!!

And that's just for starters.

irony - whining about how other people whine

Exactly.

And Opera 2x is a simplistic toy for simpletons. That's as clearly as I can put it.

And after this highly-touted paradigm shift with the new rendering/script engine - Opera marketshare is still virtually invisible.

Yep, that worked-out real good.

i cannot use new versions because its primitive poor instruments.
plz, bring back instruments from v12!

Not exactly a constructive comment is it? Or original. The back end engine in New Opera is a VAST improvement over old Opera and means Team Opera can move forwards with new features and innovations across all their browsers knowing they at last have the potential to become a competitive browser. Either use it or move on.

"Innovations"?

I should write up a list of "innovations" that have been added in Opera Next, compared to features that were removed in Opera Next wrt to Opera 12.

The list of "removals" would be TEN TIMES the size of "innovations".

The current Opera 2x series seems like a completely simplistic toy for children, by comparison.

You do not need to remove all UI features simply because the rendering and javascript engine under the hood is different.

I love all these people who talk about being "longtime Opera users"... from version 8. :rotfl:

How about version 3, or earlier? That's me.

I have ALWAYS used Opera because it had unique and highly-configurable functionality that no other browser had, and instead of trying to push proprietary rendering quirks on the world by forcing it down people's throats en-masse with an OS (hello Microsoft, Apple) or via some other vast influential ecosystem (hello Google), it tried to maintain compatibility with INTERNET STANDARDS... you know, W3C / Tim Berners-Lee style. One of the top Opera staff was the INVENTOR of CSS, and so on. So yeah, Opera always had great CSS compatibility.

And Opera always took security much more seriously than most of their competitors, and that has always been important to me. With the advent of "Heartbleed", we can see just how important it is to fail to take these things seriously. Theo de Raadt has said that the OpenSSL team is irresponsible, and as much of a crank as I think he is a lot of the time, I think he is probably quite right about that this time. Now a bunch of Canadians have had their confidential income and tax information stolen from the national Canadian tax agency because they too relied on 'freebie' OpenSSL for citizen access to their confidential national tax accounts, and without any further testing or protections, apparently. (Hello two-factor authentication. SMDH.)

And I can actually understand how wearying it must have gotten to be for Opera after all these years, like Sisyphus pushing the rock uphill for all eternity, fighting the puritanical "standards war" when the vast majority of the web and the browser vendors laugh at such things, and when it comes right down to it "money talks" and those with the money and influence will always set the DE-FACTO web standard.

So I actually don't blame them for giving up on Presto and Carakan, they got tired of always being called-out for making webpages look "wrong". "Wrong" of course only in comparison to the idiosyncracies of the currently popular browser-du-jour. And Google surely has vastly more engineering resources they can throw at optimizing a javascript engine compared to Opera, and that means a lot when it comes to maintaining state-of-the-art performance. I get that.

But Presto and Carakan are just a rendering engine and javascript engine. Those things (correct me if I'm wrong) have little or nothing to do with the UI of the browser itself.

Yet when Opera went to Opera Next, they abandoned a MASSIVE amount of UI features that made Opera much much better than ANY of the competition.

Bookmarks comes to mind first - I have a MASSIVE amount of bookmarks, and Opera went from the ABSOLUTE KING of bookmark functionality to the ABSOLUTE WORST - even worse than Internet Explorer, if that can be imagined.

Worse yet, they utterly bungled the transition. I had Opera for Android on my Android tablet, and made the mistake one day of "upgrading" Opera. Opera did not make it clear in their app description that the "upgrade" was a completely different, utterly stripped-down thing that bore almost NO resemblance to the app that "preceded" it. And when I made the mistake of installing it, not only did it NOT IMPORT ANY OF MY BOOKMARKS OR SETTINGS OR HISTORY, when I tried to re-install what they have later started referring-to as "Opera Classic" - ALL MY PREVIOUS BOOKMARKS AND SETTINGS WERE GONE - ERASED.

ARGGGHGHHHH!!

I don't want to write War and Peace here and thus will not go further into all the other missing functionality, but suffice to say I am heartbroken to admit I will have to abandon Opera on all platforms (I've used it on Windows, Linux, Mac, BlackBerry and Android), grit my teeth and learn to adapt to Firefox.

I will never use a Google browser because of their obnoxious privacy intrusions and because the day I saw how they had designed Chrome to circumvent typical organizational software restrictions by allowing people to install it into "user data folders" rather than normal application folders - something that really ticked me off as a system administrator responsible for maintaining the security of organizational and business computer systems - I vowed to never allow that virus on any system I have responsibility for.

Even Opera's former CEO has stated his disagreement with the direction the company is taking now with the browser.

That to me says it all. Truly a shame.