Opera 12.18

A Former User

I'm glad the "old" Opera is back.
I have installed O 12.18 on win 10 64 bit and I have the exact same problem that I had with 12.17 - all websites load extremely slow. For example to access www.huffingtonpost.com it takes several seconds until all documents are loaded and then it takes another 20 or more seconds until all the elements are loaded, one by one, sometimes way over 150 elements before anything happens on the screen. O 35, FF and Edge all load immediately.
Does anyone have any advice what I could do?

Strange, http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ loads extremely quickly for me on 12.18.
That's where the www.huffingtonpost.com URL redirects for me.
Maybe the US site is much more javascript heavy or something, that always slows down Presto Opera, Facebook and YouTube being prime examples where loading is very slow and scrolling absolutely painful!

shandra

shandra

Mh, even if it is great that the old Presto (and only Opera I still use - and because of M2 being my main email client) is still updated.. speaking as one of the former myopera forums D&D participants :insane: :braindead: and one who likes conspiracy theories from an intellectual PoV but doesn't take 'em serious -> Anyone considered that this Presto update just came after Opera was sold to some "asian" company (considered that I got the headlines right and the deal was made)??? So a Presto Update after that? Anyone hearing the voices in his back of his mind whispering "Trojan.... Censorship... Big Brother.... NSA... (Oops, wrong Country).... Backdoor...." ???

No Really, I am glad that Presto is still updated - but the timing is a bit... well, it is an open invitation to said "conspiracy theories"....

P.S.: And no *NIX Update... well, I hear in my mind "Prime Targets.... Easy Stuff...".... Oops, would we be targeting the wrong community and be revealed too soon with *NixPeople? Sorry - I really couldn't resist to add that one ;p :cheers: (And that the old MAC User Stereotype would be in opposition to the typical *nix one ... well as said, those theories are just plain fun)

blackbird71

blackbird71

... speaking as one of the former myopera forums D&D participants :insane: :braindead: and one who likes conspiracy theories from an intellectual PoV but doesn't take 'em serious -> Anyone considered that this Presto update just came after Opera was sold to some "asian" company (considered that I got the headlines right and the deal was made)??? So a Presto Update after that? Anyone hearing the voices in his back of his mind whispering "Trojan.... Censorship... Big Brother.... NSA... (Oops, wrong Country).... Backdoor...." ???
No Really, I am glad that Presto is still updated - but the timing is a bit... well, it is an open invitation to said "conspiracy theories"....

The Opera sale was announced on or around 10 February, and consists of a cash tender offer for Opera ASA. Management and owners of about 1/3 of the shares have agreed to the offer and are recommending the sale to other shareholders. 5 days earlier, stock trading had been halted over media buyout speculation. Back in August 2015, Opera had begun reviewing its options (including sale) after receiving strategic interest from a number of parties. This from BloombergBusiness: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-02-10/opera-software-gets-agreed-takeover-offer-valued-at-1-2-billion

Bottom line: A publicly-held company like Opera isn't 'sold' until it's actually sold - by owners of a majority of its stock shares. Exploring a sale is far, far removed from consummating a sale and turning over product developmental influence or control to a new owner. Consequently, whatever Opera has done with respect to creating Opera 12.18 was underway and has been finished well prior to any point of a legal sale completion, by developers under the employ of Opera ASA existing as an independent entity. Conspiracy theories regarding Opera 12.18, even presented semi-humorously, have no place at this point in time when even elemental common sense is applied. In some venues, it might even be construed with attempting to influence shareholder opinions and stock prices.

sgunhouse

sgunhouse Moderator Volunteer

... and of course, those of us who are testers had the exact same 32-bit build before the sale was announced, so it isn't directly related.

abdozaghloul

abdozaghloul

Can someone confirm if http://www.softpedia.com/ has issues with fonts on Opera 12.18 & Windows 10 ??

Thanks.

http://i.imgur.com/1lHYmV4.png

sgunhouse

sgunhouse Moderator Volunteer

The icons look like dots in 12.18 here - not even typical squares.

abdozaghloul

abdozaghloul

So, they're messed up and not showing properly, right ??

If so, it's something wrong with Opera itself, something with the coding if I may say "poor".

I'll report back what I've found so far.

blackbird71

blackbird71

The icons are messed up here in Firefox, Qupzilla, and Opera 12.18. In Firefox, they appear as small rectangles with "FO" above "05" inside the top ones (where the stars should be) and "F1/C0" and "F0/44" in the ones half way down the page; in Opera 12.18, they appear mainly as small rectangles, some of which have "x" symbols in them. The only browsers they seem to render correctly with are chromium/Blink-based ones.

abdozaghloul

abdozaghloul

Regarding icons on http://www.softpedia.com/ , they are properly displayed in all the browsers I tested (Firefox, Opera 35, Chrome, Pale moon) but not Opera 12 even I fixed the issue I was having with other sites, which means the problem is with Opera 12 itself.

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Now back with my issue.

I was having windows firewall disabled using "Windows 10 Toggle Tweaker", and changed the start up mode to "Disabled" in services.

What I did was changing the start up mode to manual but this only didn't work, I had to start the service manually after right clicking the windows firewall service.

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So, enabling Windows firewall fix that, can you believe it , but I'll disable it again cause I don't like it.

It is because of MicroShit, this happen to me before, I couldn't use Windows updates (always ended with errors and nothing updated) because firewall was disabled. Also some programs that rely on "Inno VCL Styles" wasn't working and given errors like this one http://www.softpedia.com/get/Programming/Patchers/Inno-Setup-XDELTA-Patch-Maker.shtml , and I've contacted the author and he fixed that.

This is just bullshit of M$hit to force you use their firewall or maybe bad coding, and I guess I can say Opera 12 is not fully compatible with Windows 10 which could be expected (it's 2 years old now or so), other browsers have no problem with firewall disabled.

Hopefully someone can find a fix for this or a workaround of some sort.

Thank you all for your help and special thanks to @davehawley, @sgunhouse and @stng who bear with me.

A Former User

Has anyone else noticed that Facebook is now mis-rendering in 12.18?
The search field has dropped a line here and is now sitting on top of the first part of the main display, and everything in the bar where it should be is shifted to the left.
Only noticed it today, it was always OK in 12.17.
Changing the site preferences seems to make no difference.

robkaw

robkaw

Has anyone else noticed that Facebook is now mis-rendering in 12.18?

Yeah, the search field is misplaced recently, but it also was like that in 12.17. Probably can be fixed by a custom CSS, but I haven't figured how.

4oh4

4oh4

Thanks for the updated version.

Conspiracy theorists: They might be able to do all kinds of tracking not only through the Windows binaries, but also through the online/call-home functionality like Dragonfly and whatever home servers Opera communicates with.

A Former User

Has anyone else noticed that Facebook is now mis-rendering in 12.18?

Yeah, the search field is misplaced recently, but it also was like that in 12.17. Probably can be fixed by a custom CSS, but I haven't figured how.

Strange, because I only noticed it was wrong yesterday, and I've had 12.18 installed ever since it was released.
I certainly don't remember seeing the problem ever in 12.17.
If it's fixable by any means that would be very good indeed!

winterling

winterling

My installation of 12.18 has stopped launching Flash for one particular site, churchservices.tv. It worked fine after update from 12.17 until two mornings ago - now the page is rendered OK but there's a space where the flash popup should be. The contact person at the website says there have been no changes to the site recently.

The flash installation is .306 ie. latest. The last time I used it successfully for the site in question, I also had a copy of Realplayer open.

Other sites such as Youtube, and another church network mcnmedia launch the plugin OK, though the churchservices guy says they use a more recent edition of jwplayer than mcn.

I'm running Windows Vista 32bit on an old Amilo laptop. Never had an issue with the problem site using 12.17.

Any suggestions most gratefully received!

A Former User

Confirmed here.
Woks fine in all my other browsers, but as you say, no sign of the plugin loading on 12.18.
Changing the site preferences seems to make no difference.

winterling

winterling

Thanks Dave, good to know it's not something on my machine.

A Former User

It's probably something to do with the JW Player they're using.
It doesn't produce the normal menu when right clicked that YouTube videos and others give.

rasz

rasz

@winterling churchservices.tv, also twitch.tv and many many sites with weird domain prefixes :

You need to manually download https://publicsuffix.org/list/public_suffix_list.dat
rename it to public_domains.dat
and copy it over to C:\Program Files\Opera x64\defaults or wherever you installed Opera 12.18.

This is an ancient bug introduced around 12.15. Opera people first forgot to bundle this file with 12.15/.16/.17 x64 builds, and now its gone from both 12.18 x86 and x64 builds.

Without this file for example twitch.tv wont work. It has something to do with security (Cross-Origin Resource Sharing) and without it a lot of sites javascript cant function throwing security violations.

Other than that it appears to be a solid build. 12.17 had totally broken openssl when tls 1.1/1.2 was enabled resulting in constant crashing. This one seems stable.

Personally I think it might of been someones personal pet project/parting gift before being laid off in face of Chinese acquisition, for which I am extremely grateful. I had nightmares about decompiling Opera in IDA and manually binary patching newer version of openssl as my last ditch effort to use this great product in face of ECSDA gaining popularity.

@abdozaghloul

those icons are fonts
opera:config#UserPrefs|EnableWebfonts
needs to be enabled, and browser needs to be able to download appropriate webfont file from the server

btw: all of a sudden Reddit stopped working for me on opera today. I am logged in, but cant upvote, comment or even request password reset. I thought it was 12.18, but checked again on 12.17 and its the same, can someone confirm?

rasz

rasz

stupid markdown ate my link, trying again

"https://publicsuffix.org/list/public_suffix_list.dat"
https://publicsuffix.org/list/public_suffix_list.dat

this is official mozilla file, you can also get it from here:
https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/netwerk/dns/effective_tld_names.dat?raw=1

rasz

rasz

ok W T F, how do you post links with underscore ???

again https://publicsuffix.org/list/public_suffix_list.dat