Frustrated! upgraded from v12. to v30; Bookmark problems, finding tools, etc ---a royal PITA---
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davidr last edited by
I feel your pain. I also recently upgraded from v. 12 to v. 32, and there are a lot of things I miss, including saved sessions, tab stacking, and easier bookmark management. As I understand it, moving to the Chromium basis was necessary but meant rebuilding from the ground up, and the developers decided not to include a lot of things that were not used by many people. This also means that functionality has been added gradually--I gather that if we'd done this a few months ago, the bookmarks situation would have taken our breath away. Some things may come back; but the side panel and toolbar likely won't. This is just my impression from spending way too much time on this forum for a couple of weeks. (The barely-basic working of the forum is another issue!)
I did manage to get my bookmarks out of Imported bookmarks and up to a higher level. Search this forum for threads on upgrading and bookmarks, maybe for some of my threads, to get some tips. Difficult as it is, I do find that Opera 32 works much better on very many sites than 12 did any more, and that's what I really need.
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leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by
Why did it take me a long time just to find this forum?
You are a member of this forum since 2003 and posted here last march, so how could it be difficult to find this forum? Even a search would bring you here if were the case that you couldn't remember the address.
The little 'tool' thingy on the far right only shows my open tabs, which i can see perfectly well just by looking at the tabs!!!.
It show opened tabs on current and other devices and also the 10 last closed tabs.
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operabop last edited by
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But, I can't see where v30 has user enhancements compared to v12. Finding my bookmarks is terrible. I have to click thru various levels to get to my imported bookmarks. It just seems goofy to me. I want them on the side panel instantly available like before. And why did I lose the user data field in my bookmarks, where I could store extra data, like a password hint.
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other enhancements from previous versions. The little 'tool' thingy on the far right only shows my open tabs, which i can see perfectly well just by looking at the tabs!!!.
As an old user, will never be thankful for this new and improved Opera. It really doesn't give me anything different than Chrome, So, why don't I just switch to Chrome. Hmmm...I faced the same problems after trying the new chromium based opera.
You could move all the imported bookmarks up one or 2 levels into the "bookmarks bar" and access your bookmarks with 2 clicks from the opera drop down menu. Or move all the bookmarks into speeddial.
Or you could install an bookmark extension which will give you a drop down menu from a toolbar icon.I would choose Chromium before Chrome because of the default opt-out policy of Chrome whenever they come up with something new that is invades peoples privacy.
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pdw last edited by
Hello and thanks for the replies. I could not find this forum very easily. By clicking Opera(upper left), there is only 'Help' in the dialog menu. Clicking it, goes to "http://help.opera.com/opera/Windows/1833/en/" and that web page shows nothing about further help to forums. So I'm not sure why you say I should find it so easily. The help link does not get me to the forums.
Yes I found it easily before because it was bookmarked inside my Opera bookmark, but very hard to find that bookmark now.
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operabop last edited by
Where is the bookmark extension you refer to?
Browser extensions are installable addons for popular browsers like Chrome, Opera, Firefox. You can access it by clicking on get extensions from the menu. Theres also an extension to use the Chrome webstore.
Most extensions have access to all your web browsing data so install only the ones you trust to be safe. I don't install a bookmark extension for this reason.
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tvindevoghel last edited by
Ever since they upgraded to Version 33. I have been having gaming issues on Facebook, etc. Why doesn't anyone from Opera explain why this is happening or fix it?
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lando242 last edited by
Why doesn't anyone from Opera
Because they generally don't use the forums to communicate with users. They have a dev blog for that.
I have been having gaming issues on Facebook, etc.
You are give a very vague example of your problem. We can;t help you with so little information. Go into more detail. Also, don;t derail other peoples threads. If you want help with an issue and you can;t find it on the forums already then make your own thread asking for help.
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canadagoose4ever last edited by
I could not find this forum very easily.
Hmmm... when I first wanted to find the Opera forum, I simply when to Google and typed in Opera browser forum and voila: there it was. Seems simple enough to me.
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tvindevoghel last edited by
Well for one. I didn't derail other peoples threads? I play 2 games on Facebook. Before Opera upgraded to Version 33. I had no issues. Now with the upgrade to Version 33. The 2 games I play. My mouse is all over the place. If I point at a building. The cursor will be somewhere else. I had this same issue with Google Chrome and I found out that Chrome was doing away with a certain Flash player and moving towards using PPAPI Flash. I installed all my flash players and just re-installed the PPAPI Flash for Opera and nothing changed. So I'm not sure what to do
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leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by
Well for one. I didn't derail other peoples threads? I play 2 games on Facebook. Before Opera upgraded to Version 33. I had no issues. Now with the upgrade to Version 33. The 2 games I play. My mouse is all over the place. If I point at a building. The cursor will be somewhere else. I had this same issue with Google Chrome and I found out that Chrome was doing away with a certain Flash player and moving towards using PPAPI Flash. I installed all my flash players and just re-installed the PPAPI Flash for Opera and nothing changed. So I'm not sure what to do
It seems like a specific issue so i guess it's better open a topic to discuss about it.
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werewolf last edited by
Ha! I am in the same boat as the OP! I just now "updated" Opera from 12 to 33. Years ago Opera was my primary browser. I have a hundreds and hundreds of bookmarks and I like to get to them easily, so I have been using Firefox as my primary for years, but I have recently found Chrome to be faster, tho the latest FF update may have corrected the problem and FF has a much better bookmark setup, like Opera used to have. I've only been using Opera for certain websites. Anyway, like the OP I finally made the move to Opera 33...and I found the place where it said import bookmarks from FF - and even that wasn't easy - and I did that - but now I don't even have a clue where my bookmarks are let alone accessing them easily. Wow, did they trash a once very excellent browser!
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lando242 last edited by
They are in Ctrl+Shift+B. As for it being trashed, thats your option and you are entitled to it. Its a completely different program. Opera 12 is still Opera 12 and it really has no relation to Opera 15 and above. Thats why things are different.
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werewolf last edited by
They are in Ctrl+Shift+B.....
Seriously? That's the only way to get to your bookmarks? Who designed that? Why?
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werewolf last edited by
I tried it - ctr shift B...and even after doing that I had to find four (4) more places to click on before even getting to my bookmarks which I imported from FF, and then I came to a big page full of picture boxes instead of a list of my bookmarks. This is nuts. Does anyone actually use this browser anymore?
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lando242 last edited by
Seriously? That's the only way to get to your bookmarks? Who designed that? Why?
No, its not. What made you think that? Its A way to access them. There is also from the Opera Menu, from the bottom of the Speed Dial page, the Bookmarks bar (if you choose to enable it), and the extensions sidebar (if you choose to install one).
bookmarks which I imported from FF
Move them out of the imported folder and into the My Folders directory. From there, unless you have them nested into a bunch of folders, you should only be a click or two away from any bookmark.
then I came to a big page full of picture boxes instead of a list of my bookmarks
Click the button to toggle the view mode. There are three options: large icons, small icons and list. Those buttons are on the top of the page between the folder tree and the search field.
This is nuts. Does anyone actually use this browser anymore?
This really isn't that difficult dude. You are acting likes its a huge deal when you aren't even trying to make adjustments to tune it in the way you want. Thats what settings are for.
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bbildman last edited by admin
I have totally immigrated to O33, after deciding O12 was no longer viable. I had exactly the same misgivings as the author of this thread.
As for the bookmark issue that many try to tell us that doesn't exist, try this thread I posted::
https://forums.opera.com/topic/12402/how-i-solved-the-bookmark-issue-in-opera-33/7
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davidr last edited by
werewolf may be overreacting a tad; and lando, I've appreciated all the help you've offered me as I made my way in the new Opera. But the bookmarking system is a serious learning curve when coming straight from Opera 12, and I haven't seen anybody even try to argue that it's better, only that it can be figured out (and made to function in something like a more familiar manner, as bbildman has done), and that there really isn't a choice, except to get an extension. It may or may not be a huge deal, depending on how one is used to working and how much time one has to spare to learn and/or customize an entirely new system. But it is a problem when upgrading, and the new system is hardly a functional improvement, unless of course one only has 20 or 30 bookmarks.
unless you have them nested into a bunch of folders, you should only be a click or two away from any bookmark.
And if you do have 50 or more bookmarks (or 500 or 1,000), then very likely you have nested them for the sake of organization and convenience, so that the new system adds a couple of new levels to get to them.
IMO the only reason to move to current Opera from v. 12 is that it actually works on current Websites, as v. 12 no longer does in many cases. I don't see a reason to upgrade for the sake of functionality, other than the one function that everyone wants a browser to perform: display Websites properly and securely.
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lando242 last edited by
If you use the Bookmarks section of the Opera menu you can drill down into nested folders without clicking, just like in the old Windows start menu. The bookmarks manager is ideal for doing just that, managing bookmarks. If you want to access bookmarks you are better off doing it via the menu or by using an extension in the sidebar. I recommend V7 bookmarks.
I understand that you don't like the changes but you can't expect everything to be the same when you are using a completely different program. While its not ideal its better than it was. Opera 15 didn't even have a bookmarking system and it took them several releases to implement it. Its also better than the alternative. If Opera hadn't switched to the new renderer its entirely likely they simply would have discontinued work on a browser completely as it is no longer the core of their business (and hasn't been for years). Of the major browsers out there Opera has by far the smallest development team and you have to temper your expectations accordingly.
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davidr last edited by
Thank you, lando, as always, for your clarifications. Perhaps the difficulty comes in at the basic level of the terminology of "upgrading."
People expect an upgrade to be an improvement. In one respect, current Opera is an improvement over v. 12, because, as I say, it simply works right on Websites where v. 12 no longer functions properly if at all. In terms of other features and functions, though, it is in many cases not only different but reduced rather than improved. If people upgrade expecting something new and improved (not an unreasonable expectation), they are going to be disappointed. One might also point out that the upgrade messages that appear in earlier versions of Opera do not, to the best of my recollection, say that this is "a completely different program"; we only find that out when we get here.
And of course, Opera's home page, marketing its browser products, does not mention that current versions of those products do not do some things that they used to do. Hopefully new users will be attracted to Opera. But neither Opera nor its fans and supporters (in which group I include myself) should expect longtime users to be pleased with an "upgrade" experience that is, in some respects, a downgrade (sessions, tab stacking), and in other respects a quite different program (as you say), but without appreciable benefits in the differences. In all honesty, one should probably speak of current Opera (Opera Blink, Chromium-based Opera, whatever one calls it) as a revision rather than an upgrade. It is a move sideways rather than upwards in terms of functionality, more a matter of tradeoffs than improvements.
