Have an own forum for Presto-based Opera versions
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blackbird71 last edited by...
@blackbird: it's unwise of you to make assumptions as you have done. I'm surprised.@leushino, I'm not sure what you refer to as "assumptions"... I consider my observations to be "conclusions" drawn from the recurring themes I've observed in so many posts you've made in recent weeks in thread after thread. I realize you're weary of generic whining about Blink... but not all users with Presto issues or Blink complaints are simply whining, and not all users with Presto issues can simply install Blink Opera in their aging systems nor afford new systems capable of running it. You may see your constant refrain of "Blink Opera, love it or leave it" as a kind of 'tough love' - but you seem to make no observable allowance in any of your posts for the numerically large number of users who don't fit into that neat little scenario. Perhaps I'm wrong, but there's both a lack of contructiveness and a certain stridency or harshness coming through in post after post...
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Deleted User last edited by
blackbird: Here's your assumption:
"You obviously know little about the great numbers of users in Africa, South America, Asia, Eastern Europe, and other places who still rely strongly on Presto Opera..."I know all about this and if truth be known, it's not my concern. Now whether you agree with that or not is not my concern. However, don't presume to tell me what I know and don't know based upon your faulty assumptions. And furthermore, I don't care about your conclusions regarding my previous posts. You say that "perhaps I (meaning you) are wrong, but..." Indeed, you are wrong. Please understand that I don't care a fig about your view of me (i.e. 'there's a certain harshness in my posts'). Big deal. Go preach to someone else. If truth be told I find you insufferably arrogant and self-righteous but up until now I haven't said anything of the kind. Furthermore, I have not said ALL Presto users are whiners or complainers. Obviously the vast majority of Presto users don't bother with the forums. A miniscule group of Presto users in comparison to the user base comes here and for the most part, complains and it is to that group that I direct many of my posts so don't put words in my mouth that are not there and don't erect a straw man of your own making and then cleverly take it apart limb by limb.
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A Former User last edited by
Presto Opera is dying, but it won't be dead until the last person in the world stops using it.
Even though issues with it will no longer be addressed by Opera, its great configurability means that there are a huge number of workarounds that can be applied to resolve problems, the recent troubles with YouTube being a case in point.
A separate section of the forum for this, and other Presto issues, certainly after Opera officially drop support (which they haven't yet) would be an invaluable repository for this knowledge for those who still use the Presto browser, for whatever reason.
It is a great shame that Pesala's huge stock of tweaks and tips on Presto Opera was lost to general access when MyOpera closed, although someone did post a link to an archived version a while ago.
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Deleted User last edited by
Come on, Dave. we're now dealing in semantics here when we use the term "dead". To all intents and purposes, Presto is dead in that it is no longer being developed. The fact that many people still use it is a moot point. Millions no doubt continued to use Netscape after version 9 but we knew it was dead and done with and eventually those die-hard Netscapers migrated elsewhere. Only someone in complete denial would continue to use Netscape these many years later. I'm not against Presto, per se. After all, it's just programing so why would I care one way or the other. And as I mentioned earlier, I recognize that the vast majority of Presto users continue to use it and have never darkened the door of the Opera forums (and probably won't). When I speak out against Presto users it's directed against a very loud, and oftentimes very rude handful who come to the forum here and complain day after day after day. They've labelled the company as disloyal to them (seriously... a company that has given them free software and support is now disloyal) and no matter what new features are presented in Opera Blink, they never fail to disparage them. That's where my beef lies. As for a separate forum... it's not needed in my view. Simply set up a folder in the existing forum and title it Presto Q & A.
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A Former User last edited by
The trouble with just having a Presto thread, unless it's permanently pinned (which as far as I can see can only be done with "announcements") is that if it's not used for a while it will sink down the forum, and people with Presto questions will then just start new threads, giving the mods the headache of constantly merging them (can that even be done, I've never been aware of it here?)
I don't see the harm in Presto Opera having its own section.
It can always be removed when its use falls too low for its existence to be still justified.
And yes, some of the rants about Opera's supposed "betrayal" of Presto uses have been just a bit over the top!
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Deleted User last edited by
I said this in other topic. There is no reason to use Presto, you will have so much problems and problems with it that you will see yourself using another browser more than Presto itself.
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linuxmint7 last edited by
Works fine for me, no worse (and in a lot of ways, better) than any other browser.
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A Former User last edited by
Listen, people, when Mozilla had a different project - they gave it a different name, right?
Why couldn't these... Vikings do the same?
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A Former User last edited by
Er, because the company's actually called Opera perhaps?
Why would they call it anything else?
Presto Opera 12.17 works fine for me 95% of the time, at the moment, but I'm under no illusion that this won't get worse as time goes on.
The main annoyance is on forms, where you spend ages filling them in, only for the "submit" button then to do nothing because of a javascript problem!
It's a long way from being so bad that I would abandon it as my primary browser yet though.
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Deleted User last edited by
Dave, you're a reasonable man.
I'm beginning to see your points in regards to a separate forum. -
A Former User last edited by
Well, Dave, was Opera their first project? Then it's justified to have it a namesake to the company.
But this __nu__Opera is not their first project...:sherlock: -
shandra last edited by
+1 for it
And to get away with OS Type/Version itself/etc. - Most Support Forums I know have a sub-forum for "legacy-products"/"older versions <app_name>" or something similar (catch all type of subforum). And yes, I think that it could at least soften the Presto/Chropera battles in valid support (user2user) requests (*1), as the "other population of Opera Users" could simply ignore such a forum (if they step away from trolling).
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not general discussions - which ends up in Opera For * as it is nowadayscycle ('cause of missing alternatives(?) - as we don't have a generic Opera Discussion Forum so far, or am I missing something? -
A Former User last edited by
Shandra, if the two browsers had different names (or at leat the second one's one were adjusted with something), new users would not have "misposted" (or at least less likely would) if we had different subforums for the browsers.
For now, I guess such a "legacy" thing would become legitimate only after a/the official announcement has been issued widely stating that the company had ceased any and all support for the older browser completely. That is not the case yet.
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christoph142 last edited by
such a "legacy" thing would become legitimate only after a/the official announcement has been issued widely stating that the company had ceased any and all support for the older browser completely.
And why would that be? Products differ now and solutions do, too.
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laurenbacall last edited by
Would be a good idea considering how many questions continue to be Presto. It's unfortunate Opera deleted the previous forum, which even if surviving as a read-only resource would have continued to be immeasurably useful to Presto users.
Also honestly glad leushino isn't around to troll anymore. The guy never stopped causing arguments and general dissension.
