POLL: Tab bar features? Tab stacking / grouping?
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thexerox last edited by
I would LOVE to have the ability to turn OFF tabs all together. I don't use them, they're ugly, take up space, and clutter the screen.
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Deleted User last edited by
I find the idea ridiculous that some claim their "work" is hampered because they cannot stack tabs. Evidently they
have dozens and dozens of tabs open at one time and therefore need to stack them. Seriously? How on earth did you function back in the 90's when there were no tabs at all? And when tabs first appeared the ability to stack them was not present. How did you manage then? My guess is that 90%+ of users do not bother stacking tabs just as 90%+ of users do not have tens of thousands of bookmarks which has also been made such a loud and angry dispute. I've read the posts of several who have claimed in excess of ten thousand bookmarks. Utterly ridiculous and even if that number is accurate, again... my guess is that you are by far in the minority of users. Oh yes, I know that many disgruntled Opera posters will now chime in with all the reasons why thousands upon thousands of bookmarks is perfectly reasonable but the few dozen who will do so are meaningless in the larger scheme of things. Opera has finally started making a browser that will appeal to the masses and so far I love what they have produced.Opera: do not be mislead by a noisy, whining group of complainers. They want you to rebuild Presto in the Blink package and throw in everything but the kitchen sink. That is the very reason your Presto browser never "caught on" with more than 3% of users over a 17 year run. Stick with your current game plan. It will be a success as Firefox becomes increasingly bloated and users look for viable alternatives to Chrome.
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haakoo last edited by
Vertical tabs would be interesting. And maybe (optional) automatic tab grouping.
The lack of vertical tabs is the only reason I still use Opera 12.16. Please give use vertical tabs (and tab stacking!)
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lem729 last edited by
There is already a Chrome extension for organizing all your tabs vertically... It's called Veritabs, and you can use it in Opera. http://lifehacker.com/veritabs-organizes-all-your-tabs-vertically-1277795513
Here's a review. http://lifehacker.com/veritabs-organizes-all-your-tabs-vertically-1277795513
In lieu of stacking, you might want to consider organizing your tabs with TooManyTabs for Chrome.
See http://www.visibotech.com/TMTChrome
To download a Chrome extension easily, you need the Opera extension, called Download Chrome Extension, https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/download-chrome-extension-9/?display=en
or Extension Source Viewer, https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/extension-source-viewer/
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blackbird71 last edited byOpera: do not be mislead by a noisy, whining group of complainers. They want you to rebuild Presto in the Blink package and throw in everything but the kitchen sink. That is the very reason your Presto browser never "caught on" with more than 3% of users over a 17 year run. ...
It's actually conjecture as to why Opera's market share stayed low. My own conjecture is that most Presto Opera users adopted Opera via either word of mouth, positive techno-reviews (my personal case), or because they wanted the same brand that they already liked on their mobile devices. If these were the cases, the reason for lack of broad adoption was simply lack of product recognition, not a general dislike of Opera's internal complexity, etc (which was generally hidden anyhow). Based on the admittedly non-controlled sample of folks in various walks of life I've mentioned Opera to over the years since very early Opera (even before I adopted it at version 8), almost none of them initially had ever heard of it throughout that period, though they definitely knew of IE, Netscape, Firefox, and Chrome. You don't build share if very few folks know you're there.
Two things I'd love to see that would shed much useful light on this whole issue would be results of a sound product-name recognition study among the universe of desktop browser users and a study of the number of users trying and subsequently abandoning the various browser flavors over time. Only then might we truly tell whether Opera's share stayed low in Presto days because of lack of recognition or because of something within the software itself.
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ara78 last edited by
Vertical tabs.
Comparatively, horizontal tabs strain eyes tremendously. It also reduces page display (unless you know some Asian websites that are scrolled horizontally).
Most users are on 16/9 screens with an horizontal task bar, and don't ask for vertical tabs... They are out of their mind! This is madness! Madness!
Veritabs doesn't work. Sidewise is but it's an awful experience.
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al-khwarizmi last edited by
I find the idea ridiculous that some claim their "work" is hampered because they cannot stack tabs. Evidently they have dozens
and dozens of tabs open at one time and therefore need to stack them. Seriously? How on earth did you function back in the
90's when there were no tabs at all? And when tabs first appeared the ability to stack them was not present. How did you
manage then?What kind of argument is that? In the 90's we also managed with 16 MB or RAM, 14-inch CRT monitors, MS-DOS and 56 Kbps connections. That doesn't mean we want to go back to that. Progress is supposed to improve things, not the other way round.
By the way, I don't really care much about tab stacking, but I understand that each user has their pet features that they need for an efficient workflow. In my case, those (tab-related) features are:
- Vertical tabs
- Option to have common (MDI) close button for all tabs
- Click on tab to minimize
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christoph142 last edited by
I find the idea ridiculous that some claim their "work" is hampered because they cannot stack tabs. Evidently they have dozens
and dozens of tabs open at one time and therefore need to stack them. Seriously? How on earth did you function back in the
90's when there were no tabs at all? And when tabs first appeared the ability to stack them was not present. How did you
manage then?What kind of argument is that? In the 90's we also managed with 16 MB or RAM, 14-inch CRT monitors, MS-DOS and 56 Kbps connections. That doesn't mean we want to go back to that.
I second that. People managed to live without dishwashers and washing machines... electricity... fire.
Does that mean that they're unnecessary to you? ^^ -
Deleted User last edited by
LOL... now you're going too far with exaggeration. The point is, Opera's current browser is perfectly workable for most users. THAT is what I was trying to say, albeit not very well. No doubt Opera will develop the tab function in time but it is certainly not a priority right now. There are always going to be whiners and complainers: this is wrong, why didn't they add such and such back, Presto was so much better... and on and on. I'm certain that Opera's new browser will catch on and be seen as a friendly browser designed for the masses rather than the old one that was viewed as the browser of geeks thereby ensuring it remained below 3% for 17 years. It's no surprise to me that a handful of whiners continue to haunt the forum but notice: those numbers are steadily decreasing. Some have left for FF and Chrome while others have remained and adapted. It is my belief that of those who left many will return and rediscover the beauty of Opera. Short message: give it time and stop your incessant whining.
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lem729 last edited by
I fully concur with leushino. Not only does the native Opera browser offer basic but reasonable tab handling, including cloned and pinned tabs, but there are tremendous opportunities to enhance tab treatment via extension, like Classic Tabs,
https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/classic-tabs/?display=enwhich mimics Opera 12 tab behavior in Opera 23, and well, you want vertical tabs @haakoo and @al-khwarizmi, try Tab Outliner, https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/tabs-outliner/eggkanocgddhmamlbiijnphhppkpkmkl?hl=en
you might want to try Tab Outliner, as it gives a very nice vertical display of tabs
and for tab organizing, there's TooManyTabs for Chrome
and One Tab,
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/onetab/chphlpgkkbolifaimnlloiipkdnihall?hl=en-US
which provide excellent opportunities to organize tabs. And these are just the tip of the iceberg, because there are so many more. I don't believe the vast majority of users are at all concerned about more tab enhancements in the native browser. I can think of other enhancements Opera could provide to the browser, before getting into trying to do a lot more with tabs. I'd say, it's fine if the extensions provide the functionality.
People need to do the homework, and try what's out there. It's easy enough to uninstall an extension if it's not quite right for you.
To download a Chrome extension easily, you need the Opera extension, called Download Chrome Extension, https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/download-chrome-extension-9/?display=en
or Extension Source Viewer, https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/extension-source-viewer/
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christoph142 last edited by
Tab stacking is something that extensions can't provide in its "Presto-form". (I know cause I would have developed it already if I could^^)
I used to use tab stacking as well in conjunction with an extension to auto-open/close the stack when activating a tab in it.
It is by far the most useful tab feature to me e.g. for researching like when you're having three aspects of a topic and multiple articles to each one of them you just had 3 stacks to come back to at any time.
That's my way of dealing with it and I'd love to see its comeback
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lem729 last edited by
With tab outliner, you can see the entire tree of your tabs in a vertical display. You can organize the tree, cut and paste things where you want them. It could accomplish a similar thing, @cristoph142 to what you were doing with tab stacking (which was a form of organizing) You can open any item on the tab tree, by just clicking on the vertical display where the tab you are interested in shows up. Maybe it wouldn't be exactly what you like, but it could be useful to someone who uses a lot of tabs in their work or play. In addition, you can make notes with this extension (a feature that wasn't available in Opera Presto). Not everything can be duplicated (that was in Presto), but there is a lot that's out there already that can really help people.
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christoph142 last edited by
Tab Outliner is way too heavy for me. I usually have about 10 tabs open and don't open more than 25 tabs during research, but like to have them grouped like tab stacking did. There's nothing that's as intuitive and non-distracting as tab stacks.
Old habits...
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thutoms last edited by
Tab stacking: yes!
Maybe even the good old click-switch between tabs - click on the current tab and it'll switch to the previous tab you were on. That one was a really helpful one when working. -
lem729 last edited by
Tab bundler would be worth a look. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/tab-bundler/ooajenhhhbdbcolenhmmkgmkcocfdahd?hl=en
"If you are a user of chrome who finds that you have multiple tabs open and would like to be able to organize these tabs, then Tab Bundler is an extension for you. Tab Bundler is an extension that allows the user to save tabs in user-defined groups. You can conveniently create a group for tabs that are music related, another group for research on a personal project and open each tab in the group simultaniously at the click of a button."
Tab manager also help for grouping tabs. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/tab-manager/coonecdghnepgiblpccbbihiahajndda
This extension lets you manage tabs on multiple windows. Clicking on the Tab Manager icon in the toolbar reveals a box with favicons of all opened tabs on all opened windows. Tabs on different windows are identified by different groups. To move tabs from one window to another, the user just needs to drag the tabs from one group to another. Similarly tabs can be dragged to create new windows or moved to trash.
Just a few ideas. Between the two, Tab Bundler sounds simpler in concept.
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lem729 last edited by
A nice thing about the Tab Bundler extension is that all you do is create a few folders (let's say, (1) music, (2) news), (3) Opera forum, and when you're on a web page (like Slacker or Pandora), click on the + sign to put it in the music folder, and even if you later close the tab, it remains in the extension folder for your group. It's very easy to see all the tabs in each of your groups. So you can simplify the tabs that are open on the horizontal bar (by removing some), that are using up resources of the computer, but just double click on the item that remains in the folder (even if it was removed as a tab), and the tab for that item opens.
It's simple then. Create the folders you want for different subject areas. Then when you're on a web page, click on the + sign to put that web page in the folder as a tab. Everything is grouped. Close all the tabs on your horizontal tool bar, and they're still there in the extension "group" folders, till you close the browser.
Here's a nice discussion for getting started: http://dottech.org/161686/how-to-save-tabs-in-bundles-on-chrome-tip/
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xoex last edited by
Browser extensions are the most annoying innovation in browsers history, And It's not shocking for me when innovations come from outside opera! Just compare annoying icons on top right or annoying popups when you want to use most of extensions with opera (original opera not new chromera) sidebar.I hate when people say "you can do it with this extension..."
Yes I can use note extension or tab extensions, But they are crappy. They are not user friendly. Yes I can but I won't.
You can do it with your hand or your wife! It will be done but experience is different! -
lem729 last edited by
Look xoex, if you feel that way about browsers extensions, then the new Opera is definitely not for you. It is designed to be optimized for each person differently via extension. So I would think you ought to stay with Opera Presto or find another browser that doesn't use extensions. Maybe Internet Explorer, though I understand they are moving to an extension model also. Now I think browser extensions are terrific, as they add incredible functionality to the browser, but each to his own.
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Deleted User last edited by
All major browsers use extensions. To deny the viability of extensions is to live in the past. You might as well go back to browsers from the 90's like Netscape. The fact that I can personalize my browser via extensions is a huge plus. The world knows this, even though a few users like xoex don't. Probably best for him to stick with the older Presto.
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christoph142 last edited by
Browser extensions are the most annoying innovation in browsers history
There are extensions you don't even remember they are.
I strongly believe that I have built extensions (e.g. modern scroll or Textbox Auto Resizer) like that. No popup, no buttons, no distraction. And if you can tell me anything that's not user-friendly as you state, than I'm happy to rid that flaw for you.You can do it with your hand or your wife! It will be done but experience is different!
ROFL. True dat. :lol:
But an extension doesn't necessarily need to be a hand ^^
